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The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM
I already know you're a "True Believer" and a genuine socialist, you don't really need to reinforce the point.

But look, 'privatize' is simply not what you seem to think it is. I could privatize Social Security simply by having the trust fund placed in the hands of a corporation in which there was a specific charter banning them from buying pretty much anything other than gold or US bonds and having the CEO and board selected by the 'shareholders', it's then private, with no effective change. Going apeshit with this 'dead bodies clogging the streets' garbage is even more juvenile then when someone flips out about the idea that some township might zone itself such that those in certain residential districts would be required to use the 'socialist' municipal garbage, sewer, and water services.

"Privatize" does not automatically equal throwing people to wolves, we wouldn't need to privatize anything were that the goal, and it isn't, the GOP is not some comic opera group of greed-mongers ripped from some cheesy movie. We want a safety net that 1) Is stable and fiscally sound 2) gives people choices 3) doesn't breed dependency and 4) doesn't punish or vilify success. I don't see what is wrong with, say, allowing people 4 options to choose from and being allowed to switch out with little penalty. I'd be a hell of a lot happier if I got to pick from, say, an account with Wells Fargo that stored my cash in gold ingots in some vault somewhere or an 'insurance' plan that stipulated I'd receive X amount a month once I was no longer able to work by dint of age or injury, or maybe could pick both, with the gov't having no more role than to stipulate what the minimum I had to dump in was and maybe doing some baseline amount per citizen and/or matching funds. Don't know why that couldn't been mostly farmed out to private companies and simply monitored... the city doesn't have to own the garbage trucks to do garbage pickup, they can hire a company to do it, that's what 'privatize' means. There's little reason not to privatize something where a natural monopoly doesn't exist, and pensions and SS certainly aren't a natural monopoly, and even natural monopolies often benefit from privatization. Not that that will sway you, because I don't think you actually believe anything is better off in private hands.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain? - 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM 1069 Views
You'd probably be better off asking after tomorrow's debate - 18/10/2011 10:19:50 AM 895 Views
He wasn't Abel ^_^ *NM* - 18/10/2011 01:24:57 PM 279 Views
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:44:55 PM 278 Views
I have trouble taking him seriously - 18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM 753 Views
That is the problem with all Romneys opponents. - 18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM 764 Views
what positions of Perry's do you consider radical? - 18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM 659 Views
Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman. - 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM 865 Views
yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM 358 Views
When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions. - 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM 675 Views
all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS - 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM 615 Views
Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM 274 Views
I believe what RT means ... - 18/10/2011 06:22:42 PM 645 Views
No it isn't a fine point - 18/10/2011 06:48:00 PM 800 Views
He said he wants private retirement accounts instead, which is abolishing Social Security. - 18/10/2011 10:44:33 PM 791 Views
Privatizing isn't the same as abolishing - 18/10/2011 10:53:04 PM 720 Views
It is unless the governments role is more than "you MUST do this; figure out how on your own." - 19/10/2011 12:10:25 AM 789 Views
Are you correcting yourself or qualifying your statement? - 19/10/2011 06:30:34 AM 774 Views
Neither; laws requiring everyone do something do NOTHING themselves. - 20/10/2011 10:10:31 AM 756 Views
The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole - 20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM 709 Views
Really give me link *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:38:24 PM 275 Views
It is ridiculously simple; here ya go: - 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM 722 Views
OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it - 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM 651 Views
You see no conflict between this post and your next one? - 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM 811 Views
no I don't - 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM 732 Views
By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution. - 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM 702 Views
you really excell at misunderstanding *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM 294 Views
and Perry is right about SS being unconstitutional - 18/10/2011 09:44:14 PM 665 Views
And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources.... - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM 790 Views
I'm not a conservative, but - 18/10/2011 04:56:22 PM 697 Views
*hi5* *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:05:19 PM 283 Views
Imagine there is no pizza *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:02:36 AM 296 Views
Cain is the anti-christ? *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:18:21 AM 248 Views
Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged - 19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM 859 Views
Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful. - 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM 743 Views
It was that, I rather enjoyed it - 19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM 693 Views
I promise - 19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM 787 Views
I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!" - 20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM 1126 Views
...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished. - 20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM 656 Views
Try sounding out each word. - 20/10/2011 11:59:25 AM 734 Views
let me ask you this about Cain - 19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM 787 Views
Why is that, would you think? - 19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM 716 Views
There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM 767 Views
I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism. - 19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM 901 Views
I blame the press - 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM 868 Views
Amen to that. I agree with everything you say. - 19/10/2011 09:49:45 PM 789 Views
I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron. - 20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM 783 Views
tl;dr *NM* - 20/10/2011 12:19:03 PM 278 Views
Still prefer "TL;DV." - 20/10/2011 12:33:41 PM 799 Views
Re: There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 20/10/2011 03:25:20 PM 1009 Views
don't get me wrong I am not calling for a moderate - 20/10/2011 04:02:01 PM 911 Views
Re: let me ask you this about Cain - 20/10/2011 07:05:43 AM 707 Views

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