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The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM
I already know you're a "True Believer" and a genuine socialist, you don't really need to reinforce the point.

But look, 'privatize' is simply not what you seem to think it is. I could privatize Social Security simply by having the trust fund placed in the hands of a corporation in which there was a specific charter banning them from buying pretty much anything other than gold or US bonds and having the CEO and board selected by the 'shareholders', it's then private, with no effective change. Going apeshit with this 'dead bodies clogging the streets' garbage is even more juvenile then when someone flips out about the idea that some township might zone itself such that those in certain residential districts would be required to use the 'socialist' municipal garbage, sewer, and water services.

"Privatize" does not automatically equal throwing people to wolves, we wouldn't need to privatize anything were that the goal, and it isn't, the GOP is not some comic opera group of greed-mongers ripped from some cheesy movie. We want a safety net that 1) Is stable and fiscally sound 2) gives people choices 3) doesn't breed dependency and 4) doesn't punish or vilify success. I don't see what is wrong with, say, allowing people 4 options to choose from and being allowed to switch out with little penalty. I'd be a hell of a lot happier if I got to pick from, say, an account with Wells Fargo that stored my cash in gold ingots in some vault somewhere or an 'insurance' plan that stipulated I'd receive X amount a month once I was no longer able to work by dint of age or injury, or maybe could pick both, with the gov't having no more role than to stipulate what the minimum I had to dump in was and maybe doing some baseline amount per citizen and/or matching funds. Don't know why that couldn't been mostly farmed out to private companies and simply monitored... the city doesn't have to own the garbage trucks to do garbage pickup, they can hire a company to do it, that's what 'privatize' means. There's little reason not to privatize something where a natural monopoly doesn't exist, and pensions and SS certainly aren't a natural monopoly, and even natural monopolies often benefit from privatization. Not that that will sway you, because I don't think you actually believe anything is better off in private hands.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain? - 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM 1006 Views
You'd probably be better off asking after tomorrow's debate - 18/10/2011 10:19:50 AM 818 Views
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MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:44:55 PM 252 Views
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Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman. - 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM 802 Views
yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM 329 Views
When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions. - 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM 609 Views
all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS - 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM 543 Views
Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM 242 Views
I believe what RT means ... - 18/10/2011 06:22:42 PM 582 Views
No it isn't a fine point - 18/10/2011 06:48:00 PM 736 Views
He said he wants private retirement accounts instead, which is abolishing Social Security. - 18/10/2011 10:44:33 PM 726 Views
Privatizing isn't the same as abolishing - 18/10/2011 10:53:04 PM 651 Views
It is unless the governments role is more than "you MUST do this; figure out how on your own." - 19/10/2011 12:10:25 AM 721 Views
Are you correcting yourself or qualifying your statement? - 19/10/2011 06:30:34 AM 705 Views
Neither; laws requiring everyone do something do NOTHING themselves. - 20/10/2011 10:10:31 AM 687 Views
The ALL CAPS stuff isn't helping to convince me that this isn't all kool-aid drenched hyperbole - 20/10/2011 01:15:19 PM 641 Views
Really give me link *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:38:24 PM 248 Views
It is ridiculously simple; here ya go: - 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM 648 Views
OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it - 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM 580 Views
You see no conflict between this post and your next one? - 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM 735 Views
no I don't - 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM 660 Views
By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution. - 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM 636 Views
you really excell at misunderstanding *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM 267 Views
and Perry is right about SS being unconstitutional - 18/10/2011 09:44:14 PM 566 Views
And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources.... - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM 729 Views
I'm not a conservative, but - 18/10/2011 04:56:22 PM 629 Views
*hi5* *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:05:19 PM 257 Views
Imagine there is no pizza *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:02:36 AM 264 Views
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Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful. - 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM 683 Views
It was that, I rather enjoyed it - 19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM 628 Views
I promise - 19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM 721 Views
I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!" - 20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM 1056 Views
...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished. - 20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM 600 Views
Try sounding out each word. - 20/10/2011 11:59:25 AM 666 Views
let me ask you this about Cain - 19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM 715 Views
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I blame the press - 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM 799 Views
Amen to that. I agree with everything you say. - 19/10/2011 09:49:45 PM 724 Views
I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron. - 20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM 712 Views
tl;dr *NM* - 20/10/2011 12:19:03 PM 252 Views
Still prefer "TL;DV." - 20/10/2011 12:33:41 PM 734 Views
Re: There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 20/10/2011 03:25:20 PM 938 Views
don't get me wrong I am not calling for a moderate - 20/10/2011 04:02:01 PM 850 Views
Re: let me ask you this about Cain - 20/10/2011 07:05:43 AM 642 Views

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