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don't get me wrong I am not calling for a moderate random thoughts Send a noteboard - 20/10/2011 04:02:01 PM
Just that we inned to get a little more intelligent about how we vet our candidates and that the press should take a more constructive role in the process. I also think that the people who want more depth are making a mistake when they want detailed position plans. Those are useful but not as useful as past performance as an indicator of future performance. If you want to bring radical change that is fine but you need to sell it honestly and you need to show you have a history of successfully bringing that sort of change. Why should we believe you can accomplish something grand if higher you when you have no record of grand accomplishments? Pretty speeches and interesting sounding plans are not enough. That is one of the reasons I wanted Hillary over Obama and the reason I am very worried about Cain. He has accomplished some interesting things when he was the CEO and owner of company and could make all the decisions but he has no track record of being able to pass legislation and implement policies when he can't just fire anyone who disagrees with him. If he was running for dictator his experience might apply but he is running to head one branch of the government and even that one he doesn't control completely.

If I was trying to take shots at liberals I would have pointed out that Obama ran on stopping the gotcha politics of personal attacks and then had his press secretary take cheap personal shots at Palin even though she was not running for any office at the time. One of the other things we need to do is stop accepting ad hominem attacks when the attacks are directed at people we don't like or crying about the how violent and radical the other side is and while ignoring the much worse behavior on our own side. The hypocrisies of attacking the Tea Party and defending the OWS is the sort of BS petty politics we need to get away from. Either you oppose violent rhetoric and civil disobedience or you support it. Either is a valid position but the "I support it for my side but oppose it for your side" really isn't a valid position.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain? - 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM 1050 Views
You'd probably be better off asking after tomorrow's debate - 18/10/2011 10:19:50 AM 871 Views
He wasn't Abel ^_^ *NM* - 18/10/2011 01:24:57 PM 272 Views
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:44:55 PM 269 Views
I have trouble taking him seriously - 18/10/2011 01:59:23 PM 735 Views
That is the problem with all Romneys opponents. - 18/10/2011 03:32:50 PM 746 Views
what positions of Perry's do you consider radical? - 18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM 639 Views
Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman. - 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM 846 Views
yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM 348 Views
When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions. - 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM 654 Views
all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS - 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM 591 Views
Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM 265 Views
Really give me link *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:38:24 PM 265 Views
It is ridiculously simple; here ya go: - 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM 697 Views
OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it - 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM 632 Views
You see no conflict between this post and your next one? - 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM 785 Views
no I don't - 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM 712 Views
By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution. - 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM 683 Views
you really excell at misunderstanding *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM 288 Views
and Perry is right about SS being unconstitutional - 18/10/2011 09:44:14 PM 626 Views
And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources.... - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM 771 Views
I'm not a conservative, but - 18/10/2011 04:56:22 PM 677 Views
*hi5* *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:05:19 PM 273 Views
Imagine there is no pizza *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:02:36 AM 286 Views
Cain is the anti-christ? *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:18:21 AM 241 Views
Post-debate, my opinion is fairly unchanged - 19/10/2011 06:35:32 AM 839 Views
Romney slapped Perry down so hard tonight. It was wonderful. - 19/10/2011 06:53:52 AM 724 Views
It was that, I rather enjoyed it - 19/10/2011 07:10:49 AM 672 Views
I promise - 19/10/2011 10:33:49 AM 768 Views
I can see the buttons now: "Vote for... something... maybe...!" - 20/10/2011 10:46:44 AM 1104 Views
...the words made sense by themselves, but when I put them together, meaning vanished. - 20/10/2011 11:33:46 AM 637 Views
Try sounding out each word. - 20/10/2011 11:59:25 AM 713 Views
let me ask you this about Cain - 19/10/2011 01:47:36 PM 764 Views
Why is that, would you think? - 19/10/2011 06:29:53 PM 697 Views
There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 19/10/2011 06:50:25 PM 746 Views
I'm getting the same impression... not necessarily worse candidates, just more criticism. - 19/10/2011 08:37:21 PM 879 Views
I blame the press - 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM 846 Views
Amen to that. I agree with everything you say. - 19/10/2011 09:49:45 PM 767 Views
I blame the public, and, to a lesser degree, Nielsen and Armitron. - 20/10/2011 11:39:43 AM 761 Views
tl;dr *NM* - 20/10/2011 12:19:03 PM 270 Views
Still prefer "TL;DV." - 20/10/2011 12:33:41 PM 778 Views
Re: There just seems to be strong lack of good choices - 20/10/2011 03:25:20 PM 985 Views
don't get me wrong I am not calling for a moderate - 20/10/2011 04:02:01 PM 892 Views
Re: let me ask you this about Cain - 20/10/2011 07:05:43 AM 688 Views

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