Active Users:754 Time:30/01/2026 04:11:43 AM
Yeah, I recall that link, and still do not entirely agree with it. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/11/2011 04:16:13 AM
I just read a brief article where the first words were

"Texas Rep. Ron Paul was the only candidate at a Christian forum on Saturday opposed to amending the U.S. Constitution to define marriage as a heterosexual union.

Also appearing at the Thanksgiving Family Forum in Des Moines, Iowa were Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann"

Seriously, the ONLY ONE. And his reasons weren't for any tolerance-related issues- he's personally opposed to gay marriage- but for rock-solid Republican reasons, that he doesn't think more laws and more government interference will help things.

Yeah, I pretty much figured that; there is a reason Ron Paul once ran for president on the Libertarian ticket: He is a Libertarian, but knows he can only get elected as a Republican. He can be and is perfectly reasonable on some issues and utterly insane on others.
Ron Paul is a little nutty, and I'm definitely don't want him to be president, but when you compare him to people like Bachmann, Perry, or that foamingly hateful Santorum, he looks reasonable. It's surreal.


I agree with you about the Tea Party and OWS, in that I think both movements are stemming from a large, general dissatisfaction with the way things are going. I posted a graphic a little while back that summed it up nicely, I think. I've lost the link, but it was a Venn Diagram.

It said that OWS thinks corporations are the problem, and that Tea Party thinks the government is the problem, but that both parties can agree that corporations who use their wealth to heavily influence elected officials, who in turn give the corporations considerations, are the problem.

The image was less wordy.

The graphic made it seem like the two problems were equal, whereas I do not see a problem with expansive government power so much as excessive government neglect of laws against corporate exploitation it instead enables. It's like saying, "George Washington needs to understand that the REAL problem is not Benedict Arnolds treason or the British fighting the war, but our generals taking bribes to help the British." True as far as it goes, but the whole thing is the result of an enemy paying a supposed ally to ignore its duty and let said enemy exploit the power it already had, not the two of them empowering each other. Replacing the treacherous ally with a loyal one would solve that problem, but eliminating the allys position altogether would just give the enemy free rein to run amok.
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Reply to message
An Open Letter to All People with Nothing Better To Do - 20/11/2011 10:49:21 AM 1916 Views
Huzah! A man chooses and a slave obeys! *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:56:42 AM 596 Views
Yeah, 'cos YTs comments are all about disobedience, and the OWSers are all about submission. - 20/11/2011 12:24:36 PM 1032 Views
Actually, my comment are about taking responsibility for yourself. *NM* - 20/11/2011 05:48:33 PM 608 Views
Some of them are doing just that. - 21/11/2011 11:14:58 PM 937 Views
As usual you miss the point completely. *NM* - 20/11/2011 08:27:02 PM 603 Views
How much violence has there actually been? - 20/11/2011 12:35:54 PM 1032 Views
Re: How much violence has there actually been? - 20/11/2011 12:44:00 PM 1114 Views
Because it's easy. - 20/11/2011 12:49:02 PM 1018 Views
I think it's great that student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy. - 20/11/2011 06:27:27 PM 926 Views
Completely agree. *NM* - 20/11/2011 07:44:10 PM 665 Views
Asian parents have the right idea - 20/11/2011 08:49:39 PM 1055 Views
because that's not a huge generalization of an entire race... - 20/11/2011 09:05:26 PM 1000 Views
every pakistani, indian, viet, chinese, cambodian person I know (and thats a lot) .... - 20/11/2011 09:27:34 PM 1030 Views
I had a lot of asian peers in class growing up with parents who were not like that - 20/11/2011 10:35:45 PM 1025 Views
You has? Sorry...it was too good to pass up. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:40:48 PM 552 Views
lol! oops! *edit* fail. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:42:33 PM 564 Views
I understand that, and agree to a certain extent. - 20/11/2011 11:53:30 PM 995 Views
Well... - 21/11/2011 05:39:09 AM 963 Views
Hm. Those are all very sensible points. Food for thought. *NM* - 21/11/2011 06:06:24 AM 502 Views
To take it a step further - 21/11/2011 02:36:49 AM 953 Views
I agree 100%. - 21/11/2011 05:41:40 AM 898 Views
they are. - 21/11/2011 06:55:27 PM 942 Views
HUZZAH! Very well said. - 20/11/2011 01:20:48 PM 1008 Views
I think people were jeering OWS for not being "focused" because there are so many damn problems - 20/11/2011 04:54:24 PM 1048 Views
Largely true, in many respects; again, the Tea Party had much the same problem for the same reasons. - 22/11/2011 12:26:29 AM 1116 Views
It is WEIRD when Ron Paul consistently comes off as the least insane GOP candidate - 22/11/2011 02:56:33 AM 925 Views
Yeah, I recall that link, and still do not entirely agree with it. - 22/11/2011 04:16:13 AM 899 Views
Well yeah, because you sympathize with OWS - 22/11/2011 02:34:51 PM 998 Views
I would not go that far. - 23/11/2011 07:09:22 AM 1243 Views
"There are plenty of jobs and pay"... Do you read the news? *NM* - 20/11/2011 12:42:30 PM 569 Views
Yep, there are lots of jobs... - 20/11/2011 05:49:58 PM 1044 Views
there ARE plenty of jobs - 20/11/2011 06:14:30 PM 1069 Views
Excercise in creative thinking... - 20/11/2011 06:45:49 PM 1037 Views
Take an economics course. Learn about structural unemployment. - 20/11/2011 11:50:40 PM 966 Views
*NM* - 21/11/2011 05:13:39 AM 551 Views
I'm sorry dude, but there ARE jobs. - 20/11/2011 07:21:21 PM 1044 Views
but what kind of jobs? - 20/11/2011 08:08:58 PM 852 Views
"My plastic surgeon" WTF Aisha - 20/11/2011 08:36:13 PM 1099 Views
Im a nurse - 20/11/2011 09:24:14 PM 981 Views
I actually have a lot of respect for plastic surgeons outside pure cosmetics - 21/11/2011 01:02:59 AM 1026 Views
job that pay money - 20/11/2011 08:57:55 PM 1010 Views
lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 09:35:07 PM 1012 Views
Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 10:29:16 PM 939 Views
Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 21/11/2011 12:19:52 AM 1042 Views
That's a shitty situation - 21/11/2011 12:24:20 AM 898 Views
While it is true that the plural of anecdote is not data... - 21/11/2011 12:34:35 AM 843 Views
no I realize that - 21/11/2011 12:57:06 AM 804 Views
First of all, I worked at a dairy and have a friend who busses tables. - 20/11/2011 10:32:39 PM 978 Views
Thats a big problem, Aisha - 22/11/2011 06:42:18 AM 907 Views
Not in Michigan. *NM* - 21/11/2011 05:11:40 AM 532 Views
...I feel like you've been getting all of your information from TV News. This isn't about bills. - 20/11/2011 04:35:13 PM 1006 Views
Better question is have you been to any of them? - 20/11/2011 06:42:02 PM 1079 Views
I may need to be more concise about something - 20/11/2011 06:53:58 PM 1008 Views
Re: Better question is have you been to any of them? - 20/11/2011 07:00:30 PM 876 Views
Wait...you think there is a problem with courts treating corporations as persons? - 20/11/2011 08:33:43 PM 935 Views
You know what he meant. - 20/11/2011 09:32:59 PM 1004 Views
Pretty sure the inception of corporations was not 1886. - 22/11/2011 05:45:31 AM 973 Views
You do realize... - 22/11/2011 06:01:47 AM 915 Views
Almost anything CAN happen. - 22/11/2011 07:43:31 AM 984 Views
You're right. I will hand you your ass on this one. If you give me gloves before touching it. - 23/11/2011 02:26:35 PM 990 Views
That looks a little shaky. - 23/11/2011 05:42:39 PM 997 Views
Funny how once we as a society used protesting for non personal gain ... - 20/11/2011 08:49:37 PM 1044 Views
I love this post. *NM* - 20/11/2011 09:06:49 PM 547 Views
Good post - 20/11/2011 09:13:12 PM 989 Views
Then why don't the unemployed ... - 20/11/2011 10:36:36 PM 903 Views
The UN is clearly out of touch with reality. - 20/11/2011 10:44:44 PM 982 Views
"There is no right to work"? - 22/11/2011 05:50:30 AM 989 Views
Also, do you even have a job yet? *NM* - 22/11/2011 06:02:11 AM 526 Views
Ikke ennĂ¥. - 22/11/2011 07:28:27 AM 1032 Views
A simple no would suffice. *NM* - 22/11/2011 07:32:27 AM 577 Views
Well, that was little more than a simple no. - 22/11/2011 07:57:11 AM 905 Views
So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM 999 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 04:15:30 AM 953 Views
I am also not Dan. - 22/11/2011 06:08:06 AM 852 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 06:47:25 AM 1046 Views
I don't think the protest is about being people feeling entitled - 22/11/2011 07:45:50 AM 1070 Views

Reply to Message