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I am also not Dan. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/11/2011 06:08:06 AM
I'm talking about apart from how the actual Occupy Wall Street protests turned out, which is not good, do you think there was absolutely nothing objectionable going on in our current system of Government and Finance that merited a protest? Work may not be a right, but certainly we have a right not to be misled and robbed by corporations taking advantage of Government laxity.


I'm not Roon, but I have a question about your question. I feel like you are implying it is only now a problem. Why wasn't it before? This isn't new. This has been going on for decades. Further, why would any protest actually work? When I hear protest, whether I agree with a cause or not, I personally immediately hate it. I feel as though it is the most annoying, unimaginative and lazy course of action to get what you want. It doesn't make me sympathize with the cause. I lose respect for said cause.

But that last part, IMHO, says as much about you and your politics as it does any protesters. If hearing about people getting clubbed, shot and attacked by dogs for having the temerity to protest their lack of trivial things like voting makes you think, annoying, lazy unimaginative people; I have no respect for them, I will give you a heads up the next time Cannoli is in the mood for some King bashing. Indira Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru were many things, but unimaginative they were not. Why would any protest actually work? Because when people assemble en masse to demand their rights it encourages recognition of those rights, even sympathy in people not predisposed to dismiss all protesters unheard. It would work because it has worked many times in the past, particularly when non-violent peaceful protesters with legitimate greivances have been met by violence at the hands of those entrusted with serving and defending them.

I understand and even share disregard for people who consider protesting a consequence way to "rebel" or "be cool" or just avoid doing anything productive with their lives, but participating in a protest does not automatically make one guilty of those things. There is a fine and honorable tradition of productive positive protests in America and the world, notwithstanding the fact that some people try to abuse that fact to pointlessly shake (or swing) their fist at authority. There is an equally long history of powerful figures dismissing everyone from abolitionists to labor rights activists to suffragetes to civil rights workers as malcontents and malingerers who belong in jail if they refuse to go back to the jobs where they belong, but it was still the protesters who were in the right.
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Huzah! A man chooses and a slave obeys! *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:56:42 AM 617 Views
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Actually, my comment are about taking responsibility for yourself. *NM* - 20/11/2011 05:48:33 PM 629 Views
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As usual you miss the point completely. *NM* - 20/11/2011 08:27:02 PM 620 Views
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Because it's easy. - 20/11/2011 12:49:02 PM 1059 Views
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Completely agree. *NM* - 20/11/2011 07:44:10 PM 680 Views
Asian parents have the right idea - 20/11/2011 08:49:39 PM 1098 Views
because that's not a huge generalization of an entire race... - 20/11/2011 09:05:26 PM 1044 Views
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You has? Sorry...it was too good to pass up. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:40:48 PM 568 Views
lol! oops! *edit* fail. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:42:33 PM 582 Views
I understand that, and agree to a certain extent. - 20/11/2011 11:53:30 PM 1039 Views
Well... - 21/11/2011 05:39:09 AM 1000 Views
Hm. Those are all very sensible points. Food for thought. *NM* - 21/11/2011 06:06:24 AM 522 Views
To take it a step further - 21/11/2011 02:36:49 AM 999 Views
I agree 100%. - 21/11/2011 05:41:40 AM 942 Views
they are. - 21/11/2011 06:55:27 PM 987 Views
HUZZAH! Very well said. - 20/11/2011 01:20:48 PM 1054 Views
"There are plenty of jobs and pay"... Do you read the news? *NM* - 20/11/2011 12:42:30 PM 588 Views
Yep, there are lots of jobs... - 20/11/2011 05:49:58 PM 1089 Views
there ARE plenty of jobs - 20/11/2011 06:14:30 PM 1107 Views
Excercise in creative thinking... - 20/11/2011 06:45:49 PM 1088 Views
Take an economics course. Learn about structural unemployment. - 20/11/2011 11:50:40 PM 1007 Views
*NM* - 21/11/2011 05:13:39 AM 571 Views
I'm sorry dude, but there ARE jobs. - 20/11/2011 07:21:21 PM 1083 Views
but what kind of jobs? - 20/11/2011 08:08:58 PM 893 Views
"My plastic surgeon" WTF Aisha - 20/11/2011 08:36:13 PM 1139 Views
Im a nurse - 20/11/2011 09:24:14 PM 1027 Views
I actually have a lot of respect for plastic surgeons outside pure cosmetics - 21/11/2011 01:02:59 AM 1073 Views
job that pay money - 20/11/2011 08:57:55 PM 1050 Views
lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 09:35:07 PM 1053 Views
Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 10:29:16 PM 978 Views
Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 21/11/2011 12:19:52 AM 1077 Views
That's a shitty situation - 21/11/2011 12:24:20 AM 939 Views
While it is true that the plural of anecdote is not data... - 21/11/2011 12:34:35 AM 892 Views
no I realize that - 21/11/2011 12:57:06 AM 850 Views
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Not in Michigan. *NM* - 21/11/2011 05:11:40 AM 550 Views
...I feel like you've been getting all of your information from TV News. This isn't about bills. - 20/11/2011 04:35:13 PM 1054 Views
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I may need to be more concise about something - 20/11/2011 06:53:58 PM 1051 Views
Re: Better question is have you been to any of them? - 20/11/2011 07:00:30 PM 919 Views
Wait...you think there is a problem with courts treating corporations as persons? - 20/11/2011 08:33:43 PM 980 Views
You know what he meant. - 20/11/2011 09:32:59 PM 1046 Views
Pretty sure the inception of corporations was not 1886. - 22/11/2011 05:45:31 AM 1011 Views
You do realize... - 22/11/2011 06:01:47 AM 958 Views
Almost anything CAN happen. - 22/11/2011 07:43:31 AM 1029 Views
You're right. I will hand you your ass on this one. If you give me gloves before touching it. - 23/11/2011 02:26:35 PM 1034 Views
That looks a little shaky. - 23/11/2011 05:42:39 PM 1037 Views
Funny how once we as a society used protesting for non personal gain ... - 20/11/2011 08:49:37 PM 1085 Views
I love this post. *NM* - 20/11/2011 09:06:49 PM 567 Views
Good post - 20/11/2011 09:13:12 PM 1027 Views
Then why don't the unemployed ... - 20/11/2011 10:36:36 PM 948 Views
The UN is clearly out of touch with reality. - 20/11/2011 10:44:44 PM 1027 Views
"There is no right to work"? - 22/11/2011 05:50:30 AM 1035 Views
Also, do you even have a job yet? *NM* - 22/11/2011 06:02:11 AM 541 Views
Ikke ennĂ¥. - 22/11/2011 07:28:27 AM 1073 Views
A simple no would suffice. *NM* - 22/11/2011 07:32:27 AM 592 Views
Well, that was little more than a simple no. - 22/11/2011 07:57:11 AM 948 Views
So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM 1044 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 04:15:30 AM 1000 Views
I am also not Dan. - 22/11/2011 06:08:06 AM 892 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 06:47:25 AM 1085 Views
I don't think the protest is about being people feeling entitled - 22/11/2011 07:45:50 AM 1115 Views

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