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I never stated it was either. That's the problem with spiritual matters. Tom Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 08:43:46 PM
The nature of these experiences is such that we cannot test them, run experiments or replicate them, yet enough people have enough things happen that they cannot explain that we owe it to ourselves to consider that there might be something to them. My position is not in defense of a particular belief system or even in defense of affirmative belief of any sort, but that atheism discounts evidence solely because it cannot, at the present day and with our present understanding of the universe, be scientifically tested, replicated in experiments or used consistently to achieve results. At the same time, we know that many things that we now know about could not be tested or measured in antiquity because our ancestors lacked the understanding necessary to even be looking in the right place.

Perhaps some day my odd dreams can be explained with science, and the blurred line between life and death can be measured as some sort of energetic residue, but until that time, we should remain curious and open-minded.

By the way, you're quite wrong about physics saying that bumblebees can't fly. That statement is a myth, which has been discredited and which you can see if you look on the wikipedia page for bumblebee.

People used to say the same thing about ball lightning - it couldn't possibly exist and was the result of hysteria, delusion, etc. However, now scientists are able to create it in laboratory settings, even though we don't understand it very well.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

*MySmiley*
The Bumblebee-physics myth
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Kim Jong-il is dead. Would you become a fervent believer? - 19/12/2011 03:37:28 AM 1795 Views
If I was a Christian, I'd pray that he would burn forever in hell. - 19/12/2011 03:47:52 AM 1217 Views
See, I can't be an atheist. - 19/12/2011 03:53:55 AM 1168 Views
I agree about atheism - 19/12/2011 04:19:02 AM 1095 Views
It's an approximation. - 19/12/2011 05:40:05 PM 1071 Views
no, I'm not saying that the sheer number of people alone is sufficient - 19/12/2011 10:13:09 PM 948 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. - 19/12/2011 04:25:06 AM 1053 Views
No, Pascal's Wager is stupid. - 19/12/2011 03:09:42 PM 1045 Views
You obviously misread my comments or ignored them. - 19/12/2011 03:39:59 PM 1075 Views
You're answering a different point to the one I was addressing. - 19/12/2011 04:01:54 PM 978 Views
For atheism to be a tenable position, one must assume that millions lie about their experiences. - 20/12/2011 04:11:53 AM 1064 Views
Look, doesn't this go against your most sacred principle? - 20/12/2011 06:43:27 AM 1023 Views
I'm pretty sure he's not saying it's undeniable proof. - 20/12/2011 09:19:44 AM 989 Views
No, it doesn't. - 20/12/2011 08:30:55 PM 935 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. - 20/12/2011 09:21:22 PM 988 Views
This militant atheism is somewhat amusing. - 20/12/2011 09:48:57 PM 990 Views
... somewhat irrational at times too - 21/12/2011 01:22:54 AM 908 Views
Huh? - 21/12/2011 10:47:06 AM 961 Views
That's somewhat unrelated to the intended point of the post - 21/12/2011 12:41:49 PM 972 Views
My "Huh?" was at your claim that any reasonable definition Kim Jong-il was a millitant athiest - 21/12/2011 12:58:44 PM 941 Views
You're objecting to me calling the Military Dictator militant? - 21/12/2011 03:13:35 PM 1021 Views
Is that the long way of saying you can't back up what you said? - 21/12/2011 04:06:06 PM 917 Views
Okay - 21/12/2011 05:03:07 PM 1052 Views
Your position isn't rational nor logical - 20/12/2011 12:45:03 PM 1017 Views
I never stated it was either. That's the problem with spiritual matters. - 20/12/2011 08:43:46 PM 916 Views
How about a faith atheist? - 19/12/2011 04:28:59 PM 1096 Views
Nevermind. It appears you answered that in your reply to Tim. *NM* - 19/12/2011 04:32:19 PM 545 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. - 19/12/2011 04:57:23 PM 1052 Views
Sounds like you must be a modern-day prophet - 19/12/2011 05:24:24 PM 909 Views
Well, it's *possible* that he is. - 19/12/2011 05:49:34 PM 1002 Views
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Idiocy. Confirmation bias doesn't explain away external phenomena. - 20/12/2011 04:19:10 AM 1014 Views
Well. - 21/12/2011 01:49:36 PM 1033 Views
I didn't forget about it. I was getting ready to give up on it. - 21/12/2011 02:27:18 PM 912 Views
That doesn't really make sense. - 21/12/2011 03:04:23 PM 854 Views
No, it does make perfect sense. - 21/12/2011 06:17:02 PM 1031 Views
Also, learn to use the subjunctive. It's "if I WERE a Christian..." - 19/12/2011 03:54:20 AM 1008 Views
The sad thing about that comment... - 19/12/2011 04:52:57 AM 1135 Views
I really am gonna miss Hitchens...a lot *NM* *NM* - 19/12/2011 04:06:50 AM 475 Views
I will miss him, too...a lot. *NM* - 19/12/2011 04:17:05 AM 462 Views
so, hypothetically...if I was to send you a list of people... - 19/12/2011 04:25:47 AM 980 Views
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You know what's really weird? - 19/12/2011 11:32:23 AM 992 Views
It has been there for 6 hours at this stage. - 19/12/2011 12:34:57 PM 1074 Views
don't forget Mugabe (sp) - 19/12/2011 01:06:24 PM 926 Views
Zimbabwe basically is dust by now. *NM* - 19/12/2011 02:52:51 PM 462 Views
They took it down, apparently. *NM* - 20/12/2011 04:40:24 AM 450 Views
Turns out Kim Jong really was il? - 19/12/2011 12:10:15 PM 948 Views
all praise Madokami! *NM* - 19/12/2011 01:03:26 PM 523 Views
He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. - 19/12/2011 04:23:48 PM 961 Views
Re: He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. - 19/12/2011 09:15:09 PM 921 Views
That happened to me too. - 19/12/2011 09:45:48 PM 1049 Views
Re: That happened to me too. - 19/12/2011 09:48:36 PM 932 Views
Re: Legend - 20/12/2011 04:54:40 PM 935 Views
I wonder if they're going to embalm him? - 20/12/2011 04:39:33 AM 872 Views
The problem with predictions that come true - 19/12/2011 05:28:24 PM 1033 Views
I don't make a lot of predictions. *NM* - 19/12/2011 08:18:53 PM 585 Views
Just ones about old, sick guys dying? *NM* - 19/12/2011 09:51:12 PM 417 Views
No, sadly. - 20/12/2011 04:31:44 AM 848 Views
I can attest to the fact that this conversation took place on Facebook Saturday. - 19/12/2011 09:19:06 PM 918 Views
Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place - 19/12/2011 09:28:17 PM 925 Views
Re: Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place - 19/12/2011 09:31:00 PM 950 Views
Yes, TMJ, you also contributed in this case. *NM* - 20/12/2011 04:38:42 AM 439 Views
I am not a dog to be petted! - 21/12/2011 02:42:55 AM 925 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! *NM* - 21/12/2011 05:31:06 AM 526 Views
Coincidentally, I found this site today - 19/12/2011 10:57:36 PM 979 Views
Oh, I liked that site. I found it a few years ago. *NM* - 20/12/2011 04:37:04 AM 451 Views
Jeez, I hope I never get on your bad side - 20/12/2011 12:06:54 AM 882 Views
Things did change for the better with Stalin's death. - 20/12/2011 02:51:12 AM 954 Views
Not for Stalin *NM* - 20/12/2011 09:49:39 PM 529 Views
eh, you can't have everything - 20/12/2011 11:08:36 PM 858 Views
Not to downplay your awesomely uncanny coincidence... - 20/12/2011 01:19:33 PM 930 Views

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