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Re: No, it doesn't. jh Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 09:21:22 PM
I do say people are idiots. That doesn't mean they're liars and cheats, too, or that everything they say or do is wrong as a result of their idiocy.


No, I am sorry, I never intended that to be the interpretation..

Furthermore, many of the people who, like me, have experiences that can't be explained based on our understanding of physics are not in the "idiot" or "cheat" categories.


Well, since nobody has those experiences that can't easily be explained with pure coincidence, I don't really get your point. People who believe that they do easily fits into the idiot category, so I am good.

You're being needlessly flippant in your response, too. I don't count it as a "win" that I mentioned Kim Jong-il and said it would be good if he died within 12 hours (give or take) of his actual death, and I am not stating that there is any theory surrounding it that can be proven in any way - in fact, I'm arguing the opposite and saying that I can't measure this scientifically but that it still has meaning. Your absurd statements regarding the eventual certainty of anyone's death are just glib inanities.


So, you are saying that something that isn't repeatable, isn't falsifiable, isn't sensible has meaning? That's just flat out ridiculous, and you know it. Now, I can understand arguing for the sake of argument, but this essentially boils down to the standard religious argument "anything can happen if _____ wants it to", which would essentially make existence of anything unprovable, and life as we know it meaningless because the rules might change at any point. Whatever.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world" - Calvin.
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Kim Jong-il is dead. Would you become a fervent believer? Tom - 19/12/2011 03:37:28 AM 1721 Views
If I was a Christian, I'd pray that he would burn forever in hell. Great Lord of Chaos - 19/12/2011 03:47:52 AM 1133 Views
See, I can't be an atheist. Tom - 19/12/2011 03:53:55 AM 1097 Views
I agree about atheism LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 04:19:02 AM 997 Views
It's an approximation. Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:40:05 PM 997 Views
no, I'm not saying that the sheer number of people alone is sufficient LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 10:13:09 PM 878 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. Great Lord of Chaos - 19/12/2011 04:25:06 AM 969 Views
No, Pascal's Wager is stupid. Tim - 19/12/2011 03:09:42 PM 974 Views
You obviously misread my comments or ignored them. Tom - 19/12/2011 03:39:59 PM 999 Views
You're answering a different point to the one I was addressing. Tim - 19/12/2011 04:01:54 PM 905 Views
For atheism to be a tenable position, one must assume that millions lie about their experiences. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:11:53 AM 998 Views
Look, doesn't this go against your most sacred principle? jh - 20/12/2011 06:43:27 AM 956 Views
I'm pretty sure he's not saying it's undeniable proof. LadyLorraine - 20/12/2011 09:19:44 AM 912 Views
No, it doesn't. Tom - 20/12/2011 08:30:55 PM 862 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. jh - 20/12/2011 09:21:22 PM 913 Views
This militant atheism is somewhat amusing. Tom - 20/12/2011 09:48:57 PM 921 Views
... somewhat irrational at times too Isaac - 21/12/2011 01:22:54 AM 836 Views
Huh? snoopcester - 21/12/2011 10:47:06 AM 896 Views
That's somewhat unrelated to the intended point of the post Isaac - 21/12/2011 12:41:49 PM 898 Views
My "Huh?" was at your claim that any reasonable definition Kim Jong-il was a millitant athiest snoopcester - 21/12/2011 12:58:44 PM 873 Views
You're objecting to me calling the Military Dictator militant? Isaac - 21/12/2011 03:13:35 PM 940 Views
Is that the long way of saying you can't back up what you said? snoopcester - 21/12/2011 04:06:06 PM 854 Views
Okay Isaac - 21/12/2011 05:03:07 PM 982 Views
Your position isn't rational nor logical Helene - 20/12/2011 12:45:03 PM 947 Views
I never stated it was either. That's the problem with spiritual matters. Tom - 20/12/2011 08:43:46 PM 844 Views
How about a faith atheist? Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:28:59 PM 1033 Views
Nevermind. It appears you answered that in your reply to Tim. *NM* Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:32:19 PM 505 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. snoopcester - 19/12/2011 04:57:23 PM 989 Views
It's impossible to tell if worshipping a false god would be worse than worshipping no god at all. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:14:59 AM 808 Views
Sounds like you must be a modern-day prophet beetnemesis - 19/12/2011 05:24:24 PM 839 Views
Well, it's *possible* that he is. Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:49:34 PM 925 Views
Hah, fair enough beetnemesis - 19/12/2011 06:47:07 PM 922 Views
Idiocy. Confirmation bias doesn't explain away external phenomena. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:19:10 AM 943 Views
Well. Sareitha Sedai - 21/12/2011 01:49:36 PM 943 Views
I didn't forget about it. I was getting ready to give up on it. Tom - 21/12/2011 02:27:18 PM 843 Views
That doesn't really make sense. Sareitha Sedai - 21/12/2011 03:04:23 PM 775 Views
No, it does make perfect sense. Tom - 21/12/2011 06:17:02 PM 966 Views
Also, learn to use the subjunctive. It's "if I WERE a Christian..." Tom - 19/12/2011 03:54:20 AM 943 Views
The sad thing about that comment... Larry - 19/12/2011 04:52:57 AM 1068 Views
I'm pretty sure there's plenty of middle ground between those two examples LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 05:31:13 PM 843 Views
Tom is right. Agnosticism is really the only rational posistion. Urza - 20/12/2011 04:17:08 AM 847 Views
Tom, I think this means you should take up ForEx trading. *NM* Urza - 19/12/2011 04:00:20 AM 429 Views
I might. I'm close enough to it as is. I just did some ForEx ISDAs for clients... Tom - 19/12/2011 04:03:11 AM 1028 Views
I really am gonna miss Hitchens...a lot *NM* *NM* Roland00 - 19/12/2011 04:06:50 AM 438 Views
I will miss him, too...a lot. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2011 04:17:05 AM 428 Views
so, hypothetically...if I was to send you a list of people... LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 04:25:47 AM 900 Views
Let's not try that. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:21:35 AM 893 Views
I'm so ronery 김정일 - 19/12/2011 06:36:38 AM 968 Views
I thought you were asking if I believed in KJ-I, the Eternal Leader Praziquantel - 19/12/2011 06:55:08 AM 847 Views
The article I just read said he died on Saturday. Rebekah - 19/12/2011 08:58:17 AM 925 Views
Yeah, he actually died on a train Saturday morning before Tom made the comment. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:13:44 PM 389 Views
I'm not claiming causality. And, for the record, I first made the comment on Friday afternoon. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:25:07 AM 920 Views
You know what's really weird? Isaac - 19/12/2011 11:32:23 AM 919 Views
It has been there for 6 hours at this stage. Stephen - 19/12/2011 12:34:57 PM 1005 Views
don't forget Mugabe (sp) Yunalesca - 19/12/2011 01:06:24 PM 846 Views
Zimbabwe basically is dust by now. *NM* Tim - 19/12/2011 02:52:51 PM 425 Views
They took it down, apparently. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:40:24 AM 414 Views
Not surprising, still in the revisions if anyone wants to see of course Isaac - 20/12/2011 11:06:05 AM 1094 Views
Turns out Kim Jong really was il? snoopcester - 19/12/2011 12:10:15 PM 886 Views
all praise Madokami! *NM* Yunalesca - 19/12/2011 01:03:26 PM 483 Views
He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:23:48 PM 895 Views
Re: He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:15:09 PM 854 Views
That happened to me too. Nate - 19/12/2011 09:45:48 PM 975 Views
Re: That happened to me too. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:48:36 PM 861 Views
Re: Legend Palatine - 20/12/2011 04:54:40 PM 863 Views
I wonder if they're going to embalm him? Tom - 20/12/2011 04:39:33 AM 812 Views
The problem with predictions that come true Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:28:24 PM 958 Views
I don't make a lot of predictions. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2011 08:18:53 PM 541 Views
Well you should start at least journaling the ones that you do make. Vivien - 19/12/2011 08:40:18 PM 916 Views
I actually now do tell my friends when I have dreams that have the "feel" to them. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:36:07 AM 982 Views
Just ones about old, sick guys dying? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 19/12/2011 09:51:12 PM 381 Views
No, sadly. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:31:44 AM 783 Views
I can attest to the fact that this conversation took place on Facebook Saturday. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:19:06 PM 848 Views
Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place Isaac - 19/12/2011 09:28:17 PM 854 Views
Re: Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:31:00 PM 858 Views
Yes, TMJ, you also contributed in this case. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:38:42 AM 398 Views
I am not a dog to be petted! TaskmasterJack - 21/12/2011 02:42:55 AM 850 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! *NM* Tom - 21/12/2011 05:31:06 AM 485 Views
Coincidentally, I found this site today kHz1000 - 19/12/2011 10:57:36 PM 906 Views
Oh, I liked that site. I found it a few years ago. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:37:04 AM 408 Views
Jeez, I hope I never get on your bad side ironclad - 20/12/2011 12:06:54 AM 812 Views
Things did change for the better with Stalin's death. Vivien - 20/12/2011 02:51:12 AM 885 Views
Not for Stalin *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 09:49:39 PM 480 Views
eh, you can't have everything Yunalesca - 20/12/2011 11:08:36 PM 788 Views
So I guess you want me to destroy the voodoo doll I have of you? Oh wait...never mind. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:37:35 AM 392 Views
Not to downplay your awesomely uncanny coincidence... Avendesora - 20/12/2011 01:19:33 PM 862 Views
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