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On exempting SS income: Joel Send a noteboard - 25/02/2012 02:30:43 AM
IN addition to the federal taxes, there are state/city taxes, social security/medicare taxes, and state/city sales taxes, not to mention various fees which are in effect taxes disproportionately affecting the poor.

Obviously I cannot climb into legislators' heads, and realize employers contribute also, but my guess is it mostly tax exempt because FICA is not deductible, so a great deal of it was long ago taxed as income. If FICA and Medicare WERE deductible, well, needless to say that would radically change both our tax code and perception of it, particularly in places with state income tax. ;)
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Why Joel is CRAZY - Nearly Half of All Americans Don't Pay Federal Income Taxes Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 04:43:15 AM 1726 Views
A not so hypothetical situation... wooly - 23/02/2012 05:46:44 AM 1134 Views
Your paying more money now than then. Lower rate but more money *NM* Urza - 23/02/2012 07:52:51 AM 669 Views
Accurate statement, but not a justification *NM* wooly - 23/02/2012 03:44:55 PM 567 Views
Re: A not so hypothetical situation... Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:39:43 PM 1244 Views
I don't know much about that. wooly - 23/02/2012 03:53:27 PM 1053 Views
Why the heck do you think the current tax system is skewed to the rich? Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:18:43 PM 1278 Views
That's a fair question wooly - 23/02/2012 03:52:08 PM 1156 Views
Once again, poor people have no money with which to pay taxes. Joel - 23/02/2012 06:23:07 AM 1287 Views
50% of America is not "poor" or too poor to pay federal income taxes..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 01:01:24 PM 1190 Views
It clearly is, if they're not paying taxes. Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:32:54 PM 1168 Views
Regarding the mortgage deduction..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:20:37 PM 1260 Views
You base that statement on what, exactly? Fervent desire that it be true? Joel - 25/02/2012 12:43:30 AM 1687 Views
2009 (the year cited for this claim) was an outlier because of temporary tax cuts and the economy. Dreaded Anomaly - 25/02/2012 01:14:01 AM 1465 Views
Interesting, but lacking the data I consider critical; FICA etc. should not be counted, IMHO. Joel - 25/02/2012 02:10:45 AM 1308 Views
It's a phrasing thing, permits more bullshit Isaac - 25/02/2012 04:41:06 AM 1272 Views
Maybe I am just playing the same game,but I find stats from "the other side" compelling in some ways Joel - 25/02/2012 10:36:40 AM 1749 Views
Well they are compelling in some ways, but they got you again Isaac - 25/02/2012 05:21:34 PM 1178 Views
They both used AGI, so there has to be something else missing. Joel - 27/02/2012 10:07:58 AM 1159 Views
You're operating under the same fallacy he does - that people should pay income taxes. Cannoli - 23/02/2012 12:05:52 PM 1328 Views
In much the same way Jacob - 23/02/2012 01:40:58 PM 1290 Views
Same argument re: fallacies Cannoli - 24/02/2012 02:52:17 PM 1136 Views
Was meant as a joke reply Jacob - 02/03/2012 06:30:15 PM 1440 Views
Joel is crazy, but I highly doubt that this is "why" Tom - 23/02/2012 01:36:37 PM 1319 Views
HA! HA! Very well played! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:49:35 PM 518 Views
I see your point, but not how it changes much in the conversation where we discussed that Joel - 25/02/2012 01:49:29 AM 1113 Views
Joel, get your head out of your ass, if that is possible Tom - 25/02/2012 07:02:34 PM 1170 Views
You kiss your momma with that ad hominem? Joel - 27/02/2012 09:11:33 AM 1334 Views
You mention this statistic all the time. Macharius - 23/02/2012 02:16:47 PM 1010 Views
Obviously, we are talking about the bottom 50%..... Anonymous2000 - 23/02/2012 03:22:43 PM 1035 Views
How do you account for retired folks? Macharius - 23/02/2012 04:18:59 PM 1253 Views
social security isn't taxable either *NM* Jim - 24/02/2012 04:21:21 AM 587 Views
Easy... he doesn't. Dannymac - 25/02/2012 02:56:05 AM 995 Views
I wonder how much of that statistic is students LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 02:22:58 PM 1267 Views
The number "paying taxes" should include dependents of those paying Floffe - 23/02/2012 02:39:21 PM 1238 Views
yah I read the link, but apparently I just didn't understand their explanation. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2012 05:40:54 PM 1051 Views
Federal taxes Aeryn - 23/02/2012 04:18:22 PM 1145 Views
Your figures are fairly unrealistic Isaac - 23/02/2012 04:54:44 PM 1342 Views
Not entirely. Tom - 23/02/2012 06:30:18 PM 1078 Views
Yeah I don't normally assume NY as a baseline Isaac - 23/02/2012 06:41:37 PM 1163 Views
It probably isn't. We even tax delivery fees, gardening services and other things with sales tax. Tom - 25/02/2012 07:03:46 PM 1140 Views
We don't tax transport of property either Isaac - 25/02/2012 08:16:53 PM 1165 Views
Places usually get around it with free delivery. A tax on a $0 item is still $0. *NM* Tom - 25/02/2012 09:12:22 PM 544 Views
On exempting SS income: Joel - 25/02/2012 02:30:43 AM 1097 Views
Is there any reason why one should exclude the other? Legolas - 23/02/2012 07:32:09 PM 1155 Views
Income taxes are not the only kind of taxes. 86% of Americans pay payroll or income tax. Dreaded Anomaly - 23/02/2012 09:51:50 PM 1274 Views
And give the riff raff a reason to become involved in politics? Are you daft? *NM* Vodalus - 24/02/2012 05:04:51 AM 704 Views
25% of america is under 18, that means ~25% of the rest are not working or paid very little moondog - 25/02/2012 08:17:52 PM 1274 Views
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