In answer to some of your questions at the bottom of your post, I am a mormon. My parents are mormon. My dad converted to mormonism while an adult. I became a believer while a teenager. I have to believe that I probably would not be a mormon if not for my parents, mainly because it is unlikely it would ever have been presented to me in such a way that I would have seriously looked into it, knowing the way my mind works. But I thank God for my religion.
There are some things commonly believed by mormons that I do not believe, but by and large I believe the doctrines of the church, including many that serve as one liners to illustrate how ridiculous mormons are. There is nothing in my life that I have given more thought to than my religion. I believe it has blessed my life immeasurably.
Regarding atheists, I served as a missionary in my church for two years and had the opportunity to speak to a lot of atheists about religion. While most athiests wouldn't describe atheism as a religion, most would readily admit that it is just their belief given their interpretation of the evidence. But religion and belief are not necessarily the same thing as you noted.
There are some things commonly believed by mormons that I do not believe, but by and large I believe the doctrines of the church, including many that serve as one liners to illustrate how ridiculous mormons are. There is nothing in my life that I have given more thought to than my religion. I believe it has blessed my life immeasurably.
Regarding atheists, I served as a missionary in my church for two years and had the opportunity to speak to a lot of atheists about religion. While most athiests wouldn't describe atheism as a religion, most would readily admit that it is just their belief given their interpretation of the evidence. But religion and belief are not necessarily the same thing as you noted.
By telling them that atheism is a religion 
Seriously, they really seem to get bent out of shape by that, based on the handful of atheists I have had discussions with. I just simply pointed out that atheism isn't a lack of belief, but rather a belief that God doesn't exist. You're still believing something either way. It takes just as much faith to not believe in God (something that can never definitely be proven) as it does to believe (something that can never definitely be proven). Either side can conjur up compelling evidence. So in the end, it comes down to what you believe.
And I just tell them it's a religion to get a rise out of them
It's really more a belief than any type of organized religion. Personally, (changing topics here for a minute), I think religions are the downfall of mankind. I prefer to be more spirtual than religious. Yes, I believe in God and basic morality, but I rather not invent a bunch of nonsensical rules to live by and then try to force other people to adopt my rules. Which, actually, raises an interesting question. If you are religious, and really believe in your religion, is it because you were raised that way? If not, was there ever a point where you consciously decided you believed in the religion? Anybody ever change religions as an adult? If you are religious, is there any aspects of your religious doctrine that you choose to ignore because you don't believe in it?
Seriously, they really seem to get bent out of shape by that, based on the handful of atheists I have had discussions with. I just simply pointed out that atheism isn't a lack of belief, but rather a belief that God doesn't exist. You're still believing something either way. It takes just as much faith to not believe in God (something that can never definitely be proven) as it does to believe (something that can never definitely be proven). Either side can conjur up compelling evidence. So in the end, it comes down to what you believe.And I just tell them it's a religion to get a rise out of them
It's really more a belief than any type of organized religion. Personally, (changing topics here for a minute), I think religions are the downfall of mankind. I prefer to be more spirtual than religious. Yes, I believe in God and basic morality, but I rather not invent a bunch of nonsensical rules to live by and then try to force other people to adopt my rules. Which, actually, raises an interesting question. If you are religious, and really believe in your religion, is it because you were raised that way? If not, was there ever a point where you consciously decided you believed in the religion? Anybody ever change religions as an adult? If you are religious, is there any aspects of your religious doctrine that you choose to ignore because you don't believe in it?
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This message last edited by Narg on 28/02/2012 at 09:20:03 PM
Do you know the best way to anger an atheist?
- 28/02/2012 07:10:57 PM
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Or, you could baptize one of them, posthumously.
- 28/02/2012 07:32:48 PM
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I can't think of any reason for an atheist to be annoyed by that.
- 28/02/2012 11:08:44 PM
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Well, for starters, it's really effing rude.
- 28/02/2012 11:31:36 PM
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It is an act of love.
- 29/02/2012 12:34:03 AM
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Everyone does it for that reason? (edits for clarity)
- 29/02/2012 10:27:02 AM
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I have some disturbing news for you...
- 29/02/2012 06:42:41 PM
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For anyone reading this: the guy above is wrong, and I am admitting that to you on his behalf, so
- 29/02/2012 07:15:38 PM
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Maybe without realizing it, you have articulated....
- 29/02/2012 07:24:13 PM
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I actually find that conversation quite interesting.
- 29/02/2012 08:18:35 PM
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Re: I actually find that conversation quite interesting.
- 29/02/2012 09:07:06 PM
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I cannot possibly agree more with these two paragraphs of yours...
- 29/02/2012 09:28:09 PM
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I find the Fall perhaps the most interesting part.
- 02/03/2012 09:05:29 AM
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Re: I find the Fall perhaps the most interesting part.
- 02/03/2012 06:26:06 PM
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There are 3 critical distinctions: 1) Ability to sin, 2) Awareness of sin and 3) Appreciation of sin
- 05/03/2012 04:08:36 AM
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It is not an act of love to defy the beliefs of a loved one.
- 29/02/2012 02:32:45 PM
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Rape? That is ridiculous.
- 29/02/2012 05:26:13 PM
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It's a bit of hyperbole, but not too far from it, imo
- 29/02/2012 05:45:39 PM
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"Spiritual rape" might be going a bit far, but otherwise that sounds about right.
- 02/03/2012 08:06:48 AM
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Isn't religion different than faith, though?
- 28/02/2012 07:44:07 PM
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Yeah that's pretty much what I said
- 28/02/2012 08:21:56 PM
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- 28/02/2012 08:21:56 PM
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Some answers
- 28/02/2012 09:05:35 PM
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that won't work on Buddists
- 28/02/2012 09:21:48 PM
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For some reason I always imagine Buddhists as the monk class on RPG games... *NM*
- 28/02/2012 10:13:27 PM
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That's always been my view of the issue. Half-assed non-religious types are just as obnoxious too.
- 28/02/2012 10:34:12 PM
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Seems a got both a pat on the back and a scathing rebuke. I call that a good day
- 28/02/2012 11:57:45 PM
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Best way to anger an atheist, by declaring all atheists are the same. *NM*
- 28/02/2012 10:38:51 PM
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Common error number 1: "Atheism isn't a lack of belief, but rather a belief that God doesn't exist."
- 28/02/2012 11:18:23 PM
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Curiously, anger at statements of simple obvious facts is a hallmark of religious fundamentalism.
- 29/02/2012 10:27:29 AM
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- 29/02/2012 10:27:29 AM
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What you're doing there is defining "atheist" and "agnostic" in a way that suits you, but...
- 29/02/2012 11:50:27 AM
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What I am doing is using the terms as they were universally used until about the time I was born.
- 05/03/2012 01:11:21 AM
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So what do you call this position?:
- 05/03/2012 08:43:20 AM
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I call them both agnostic, but the former leans toward atheism while the latter has no lean.
- 05/03/2012 10:53:02 AM
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See, there you go again, defining atheism in such a way as to make it sound ridiculous.
- 05/03/2012 11:21:17 AM
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Well, is unswerving belief a good thing, or not?
- 05/03/2012 11:57:05 AM
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What's happening
- 05/03/2012 02:24:41 PM
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Conversationally, DKs use of "atheism" at the start of this convo is the only practical definition.
- 07/03/2012 03:10:18 AM
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Oh really? The guy who was doing it to annoy people?
- 07/03/2012 09:53:38 PM
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The guy who was doing it to annoy atheists based on the terms technical and popular meaning, yes.
- 11/03/2012 04:04:36 AM
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Whatever.
- 12/03/2012 12:39:24 AM
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*NM*
I understand that as "I completely agree."
- 13/03/2012 12:11:18 AM
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- 13/03/2012 12:11:18 AM
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I have known very few people who "believe" their religion from rearing and actually understand it.
- 29/02/2012 12:08:01 PM
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I thought that was "best way to make an atheist roll his/her eyes at you"? *NM*
- 29/02/2012 11:05:21 PM
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