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Agreeing without agreeing. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 23/08/2012 12:24:10 PM
Ultimately, the frequent difficulty of establishing rape
I go into this a bit in my reply to Roland00.
to be just that is just one more reason goverment should not usurp control over peoples bodies.
I'd phrase more as "the frequent difficulty of establishing rape is one more reason government should not be granting exceptions to take a human life." I suppose it all comes down to the life vs privacy issue. From the standpoint of human life, the complications of demonstrating rape is a good reason not to start making excuses for taking life for convenience (which is all that abortion ever is).

What I can't get is the seeming disconnect in some people's minds between the authority of the government over people's bodies and the provisions they are supposed to offer for the same. How can someone say "my body, my choice" and at the same time support the government funding repairs or improvements to that same body? The excuse for the government takeover of GM was that since the government was bailing them out, the government had a right to ensure their money was spent properly. The natural extension of this logic is where the "death panels" came up, despite the disingenuous claims of Obama's supporters that there was no such wording or explicit provision in the bill or for that matter, any serious proposal for government-provided medical treatment funds. The fact is, funding life or death treatments ultimately gives the government authority over the receipt of those treatments, and thus the power over life and death.

The only viable choices are ceding the government control over your body, having the government write everyone a blank check for any sort of medicine, care or treatment they wish, or removing the government from all involvement with "life" except the elementary function of protecting people from assult, abuse and murder at one another's hands.

I do find it interesting, given the other serious charges flying both ways this year, that Akins ambiguous comment may be what costs the GOP a Senate majority.
It serves them right, because from a consitutional perspective, this is not remotely the concern of a Representative or a Senator. At most, you might say it's an issue because the Senate approves SCotUS appointees, but it is not properly a SCotUS issue either. The real position (and the official position of the GOP prior to the neocon mentality gaining prominence) should be that abortion is a state by state issue, and barring a Constitutional Amendment one way or another, completely beyond consideration of the federal government.
Cannoli
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Rape - British left wing politician takes on American right wing politician in stupidest comment off - 22/08/2012 11:03:50 PM 1080 Views
Galloway - I'll always remember him for being a Cat to be honest. - 22/08/2012 11:14:58 PM 650 Views
Erm... what on earth is that? - 22/08/2012 11:19:13 PM 469 Views
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Bullshit - 23/08/2012 05:01:24 AM 522 Views
That's an interesting variation with some legitimacy, though not compelling, to me anyway - 23/08/2012 07:25:50 AM 545 Views
That is a dangerous line of logic. - 23/08/2012 09:26:25 PM 786 Views
Okay, that really wasn't connected to my comments - 24/08/2012 02:39:21 AM 479 Views
Sure it was, but we can do it your way. - 24/08/2012 04:10:37 AM 545 Views
Yet you don't, you jump the gun here too - 24/08/2012 04:37:02 AM 557 Views
I was trying to cut to the chase; like I say, I followed your logic: I just disliked where it led. - 24/08/2012 06:10:40 AM 637 Views
Disliking the conclusion doesn't invalidate the logic, and stop veering out of the debate boundary - 24/08/2012 06:43:43 AM 590 Views
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I'm not even sure what that means - 25/08/2012 12:38:56 AM 483 Views
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Okay, we're done here - 26/08/2012 05:36:28 AM 518 Views
Quotes are not my opinion. - 26/08/2012 06:37:19 AM 491 Views
You'd really benefit from post-secondary education. - 26/08/2012 12:14:02 PM 584 Views
Haven't you and Joel had about the same amount of post-secondary education, actually? - 27/08/2012 01:31:43 AM 613 Views
T^T - 27/08/2012 04:39:33 AM 538 Views
Is that the emoticon for perky titties? *NM* - 27/08/2012 11:07:06 PM 260 Views
He is an absolute berk. *NM* - 23/08/2012 01:08:58 AM 465 Views
To be honest, I think people MIGHT be overreacting to both comments. - 23/08/2012 01:33:54 AM 606 Views
Really? *NM* - 23/08/2012 06:33:46 AM 340 Views
Yeah. - 23/08/2012 06:40:05 AM 547 Views
I expect it is more of a "stating the obvious" response. - 23/08/2012 02:01:18 PM 541 Views
Heh, I didn't think so. - 23/08/2012 05:44:55 PM 587 Views
I said Akins comments needed MORE context. - 23/08/2012 08:50:09 PM 678 Views
Yes, I saw that. - 23/08/2012 10:28:50 PM 493 Views
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And sometimes one doctor with an agenda pulls "facts" out of the air - 23/08/2012 11:37:37 PM 569 Views
No argument there. - 23/08/2012 11:46:01 PM 554 Views
This - 23/08/2012 08:50:43 PM 574 Views
Okay. I misunderstood. Sorry. *NM* - 23/08/2012 09:58:20 PM 309 Views
Eh - 23/08/2012 10:37:15 PM 512 Views
Well, I didn't take it that way. - 23/08/2012 10:42:01 PM 625 Views
Good - 24/08/2012 02:20:27 AM 595 Views
Ah, I can understand if that is the case. - 23/08/2012 07:46:38 PM 547 Views
I read it the same way Jen did - 23/08/2012 08:49:16 PM 480 Views
Why? - 23/08/2012 08:51:59 PM 562 Views
See your reply here - the bit before the comma then the bit after it. - 23/08/2012 09:06:20 PM 555 Views
You can see where there's room for doubt in that though, surely. - 23/08/2012 09:20:19 PM 522 Views
I accept there are exceptions under some circumstances - but they are exceptions, not the rule. - 23/08/2012 09:44:36 PM 538 Views
Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 10:28:13 PM 507 Views
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couple things - 24/08/2012 01:57:04 AM 484 Views
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Re: couple things - 25/08/2012 12:11:03 AM 514 Views
You may be talking about Galloway and not Assange, but Galloway was talking about Assange. - 24/08/2012 06:28:00 PM 496 Views
Ew. - 24/08/2012 06:56:27 PM 531 Views
Yes, that about covers it. - 24/08/2012 07:42:13 PM 504 Views
Yes, I was talking about Galoway and what he said - 25/08/2012 12:15:15 AM 638 Views
Re: Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 11:34:51 PM 572 Views
I can - 23/08/2012 11:05:05 PM 455 Views
I gotta say I am with Paul - 24/08/2012 12:27:44 AM 553 Views
Hm. - 24/08/2012 02:08:33 AM 473 Views
OK - 23/08/2012 09:35:35 PM 501 Views
Bullshit. - 23/08/2012 10:00:54 PM 467 Views
Re: Bullshit. - 23/08/2012 10:52:02 PM 661 Views
To start again then Joel - 23/08/2012 11:14:07 PM 490 Views
My mistake then, sorry. - 23/08/2012 11:32:34 PM 522 Views
Agreeing without agreeing. - 23/08/2012 12:24:10 PM 582 Views
I have gotten used to you being right for the wrong reasons. - 23/08/2012 07:42:32 PM 497 Views
Yes - 23/08/2012 06:34:38 AM 652 Views
Indeed - 23/08/2012 08:47:40 PM 478 Views
I don't know about Galloway but Akin is being made to pay for his commnets - 23/08/2012 04:37:12 PM 575 Views
Um, I'm not sure about that last bit - 23/08/2012 10:43:15 PM 495 Views
this issue has been discussed none stop for two days and this almost never mentioned - 24/08/2012 12:28:25 PM 496 Views
well, that is where I'm confused. - 24/08/2012 07:03:16 PM 527 Views
Maybe I watch to much CNN - 24/08/2012 07:30:23 PM 471 Views
Yeah, I'm curious about that last point as well. - 24/08/2012 02:53:43 AM 544 Views
McCaskills campaign ran ads during the GOP primary calling Akin the "most conservative" candidate. - 24/08/2012 03:33:18 AM 701 Views
Interesting. - 24/08/2012 04:49:51 AM 485 Views
no it isn't kinda true - 24/08/2012 12:50:53 PM 466 Views

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