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Agreeing without agreeing. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 23/08/2012 12:24:10 PM
Ultimately, the frequent difficulty of establishing rape
I go into this a bit in my reply to Roland00.
to be just that is just one more reason goverment should not usurp control over peoples bodies.
I'd phrase more as "the frequent difficulty of establishing rape is one more reason government should not be granting exceptions to take a human life." I suppose it all comes down to the life vs privacy issue. From the standpoint of human life, the complications of demonstrating rape is a good reason not to start making excuses for taking life for convenience (which is all that abortion ever is).

What I can't get is the seeming disconnect in some people's minds between the authority of the government over people's bodies and the provisions they are supposed to offer for the same. How can someone say "my body, my choice" and at the same time support the government funding repairs or improvements to that same body? The excuse for the government takeover of GM was that since the government was bailing them out, the government had a right to ensure their money was spent properly. The natural extension of this logic is where the "death panels" came up, despite the disingenuous claims of Obama's supporters that there was no such wording or explicit provision in the bill or for that matter, any serious proposal for government-provided medical treatment funds. The fact is, funding life or death treatments ultimately gives the government authority over the receipt of those treatments, and thus the power over life and death.

The only viable choices are ceding the government control over your body, having the government write everyone a blank check for any sort of medicine, care or treatment they wish, or removing the government from all involvement with "life" except the elementary function of protecting people from assult, abuse and murder at one another's hands.

I do find it interesting, given the other serious charges flying both ways this year, that Akins ambiguous comment may be what costs the GOP a Senate majority.
It serves them right, because from a consitutional perspective, this is not remotely the concern of a Representative or a Senator. At most, you might say it's an issue because the Senate approves SCotUS appointees, but it is not properly a SCotUS issue either. The real position (and the official position of the GOP prior to the neocon mentality gaining prominence) should be that abortion is a state by state issue, and barring a Constitutional Amendment one way or another, completely beyond consideration of the federal government.
Cannoli
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That is a dangerous line of logic. - 23/08/2012 09:26:25 PM 887 Views
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Okay, we're done here - 26/08/2012 05:36:28 AM 574 Views
Quotes are not my opinion. - 26/08/2012 06:37:19 AM 536 Views
You'd really benefit from post-secondary education. - 26/08/2012 12:14:02 PM 643 Views
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Really? *NM* - 23/08/2012 06:33:46 AM 358 Views
Yeah. - 23/08/2012 06:40:05 AM 597 Views
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Okay. I misunderstood. Sorry. *NM* - 23/08/2012 09:58:20 PM 327 Views
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Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 10:28:13 PM 569 Views
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Ew. - 24/08/2012 06:56:27 PM 580 Views
Yes, that about covers it. - 24/08/2012 07:42:13 PM 550 Views
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I can - 23/08/2012 11:05:05 PM 506 Views
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My mistake then, sorry. - 23/08/2012 11:32:34 PM 573 Views
Agreeing without agreeing. - 23/08/2012 12:24:10 PM 653 Views
I have gotten used to you being right for the wrong reasons. - 23/08/2012 07:42:32 PM 559 Views
Yes - 23/08/2012 06:34:38 AM 702 Views
Indeed - 23/08/2012 08:47:40 PM 528 Views
I don't know about Galloway but Akin is being made to pay for his commnets - 23/08/2012 04:37:12 PM 626 Views
Um, I'm not sure about that last bit - 23/08/2012 10:43:15 PM 563 Views
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well, that is where I'm confused. - 24/08/2012 07:03:16 PM 579 Views
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Interesting. - 24/08/2012 04:49:51 AM 537 Views
no it isn't kinda true - 24/08/2012 12:50:53 PM 516 Views

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