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I said Akins comments needed MORE context. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/08/2012 08:50:09 PM
I dunno, I think that saying "this comment needs context" after context has been mentioned in the OP is kinda funny. I also think that saying "publicly saying what most of his party believes?" is crazy, given that the really fucking idiotic bit was: "from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something."

As I noted, Akins "OP" gave some, but not enough. Calling something rape does not mean it is; there is nothing outrageous in that.

It is silly of Joel to skip that that is what's causing the reaction. If he wants to again point out the "most of what his party believes" line that he loves so much, talk about that. Don't try to pretend that there is no massively ridiculous content in the comment.

A federal ban on rape, without exception, is in the GOP platform, nossy. EVP today reached the same conclusion I did: "While virtually every powerful Republican from Mitt Romney on down has called on Akin to resign his nomination, now the platform committee is committed to exactly the same thing Akin proposed. This makes it quite clear that they aren't actually against what he said, just the way he worded it." Maybe that is just pandering but they really truly mean it—honest!—when stating views you share; the opposite is at least as likely. I suggest examining the platform party members and leaders approved to see how much you support, because odds are it reflects what President Romneys policies would be (that is, after all, why platforms exist.)

Most of the party shares Akins views, if not necessarily for the same reasons. When he introduced the Sanctity of Life Act defining zygotes as "persons" with all pursuant constitutional protections, VP nominee Paul Ryan co-sponsored it: What does that suggest? The "shutting down" claims are from a book by anti-abortion doctor John Willkes, whom Romney met with earlier this year, after which the doctor announced "99% agreement" with Romney. Ryan has also met with him, responding to his views by stating, "That's where I'm at." That is where the GOP is at; the question is not if they believe it, but if it matters. You tell me.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9493653/US-election-Mitt-Romney-met-Todd-Akin-doctor-John-Willke-during-2012-campaign.html

I'm sure you're tired of reading now, but re: Assange, those comments are dismissive of the rights of the female, and I don't think it is "overreacting" to flag them as excessively stupid. I would smack the shit out of my husband if he refused to stop doing something I didn't like, so I don't find it hard to believe that a woman might feel "raped" while saying no to someone making his own choices about her body. I don't think you bankrupt the term unless you can first prove that the woman had approved that particular episode of sex.

If she withdrew consent during sex it was rape, but Galloway did not deny that. Only those present know if she did, but presumption of innocence applies to rape.
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Rape - British left wing politician takes on American right wing politician in stupidest comment off - 22/08/2012 11:03:50 PM 1053 Views
Galloway - I'll always remember him for being a Cat to be honest. - 22/08/2012 11:14:58 PM 624 Views
Erm... what on earth is that? - 22/08/2012 11:19:13 PM 446 Views
Celebrity Big Brother in the UK - 22/08/2012 11:22:17 PM 493 Views
People who support abortion only for rape are the most retarded in the whole debate - 23/08/2012 01:05:17 AM 595 Views
Bullshit - 23/08/2012 05:01:24 AM 499 Views
That's an interesting variation with some legitimacy, though not compelling, to me anyway - 23/08/2012 07:25:50 AM 518 Views
That is a dangerous line of logic. - 23/08/2012 09:26:25 PM 750 Views
Okay, that really wasn't connected to my comments - 24/08/2012 02:39:21 AM 451 Views
Sure it was, but we can do it your way. - 24/08/2012 04:10:37 AM 520 Views
Yet you don't, you jump the gun here too - 24/08/2012 04:37:02 AM 536 Views
I was trying to cut to the chase; like I say, I followed your logic: I just disliked where it led. - 24/08/2012 06:10:40 AM 616 Views
Disliking the conclusion doesn't invalidate the logic, and stop veering out of the debate boundary - 24/08/2012 06:43:43 AM 569 Views
No, the logics invalidity does that, though you do not seem to like its conclusion either. - 24/08/2012 07:48:21 AM 731 Views
I'm not even sure what that means - 25/08/2012 12:38:56 AM 462 Views
The logic is invalid because invalid, however either of us feels about where it leads. - 25/08/2012 10:37:34 PM 524 Views
Okay, we're done here - 26/08/2012 05:36:28 AM 494 Views
Quotes are not my opinion. - 26/08/2012 06:37:19 AM 467 Views
You'd really benefit from post-secondary education. - 26/08/2012 12:14:02 PM 557 Views
Haven't you and Joel had about the same amount of post-secondary education, actually? - 27/08/2012 01:31:43 AM 585 Views
T^T - 27/08/2012 04:39:33 AM 509 Views
Is that the emoticon for perky titties? *NM* - 27/08/2012 11:07:06 PM 249 Views
He is an absolute berk. *NM* - 23/08/2012 01:08:58 AM 452 Views
To be honest, I think people MIGHT be overreacting to both comments. - 23/08/2012 01:33:54 AM 577 Views
Really? *NM* - 23/08/2012 06:33:46 AM 328 Views
Yeah. - 23/08/2012 06:40:05 AM 525 Views
I expect it is more of a "stating the obvious" response. - 23/08/2012 02:01:18 PM 519 Views
Heh, I didn't think so. - 23/08/2012 05:44:55 PM 563 Views
I said Akins comments needed MORE context. - 23/08/2012 08:50:09 PM 653 Views
Yes, I saw that. - 23/08/2012 10:28:50 PM 473 Views
Re: Yes, I saw that. - 23/08/2012 11:04:40 PM 500 Views
Re: Yes, I saw that. - 23/08/2012 11:08:46 PM 477 Views
Science sometimes produces shocking discoveries. - 23/08/2012 11:28:47 PM 501 Views
And sometimes one doctor with an agenda pulls "facts" out of the air - 23/08/2012 11:37:37 PM 545 Views
No argument there. - 23/08/2012 11:46:01 PM 534 Views
This - 23/08/2012 08:50:43 PM 548 Views
Okay. I misunderstood. Sorry. *NM* - 23/08/2012 09:58:20 PM 299 Views
Eh - 23/08/2012 10:37:15 PM 494 Views
Well, I didn't take it that way. - 23/08/2012 10:42:01 PM 562 Views
Good - 24/08/2012 02:20:27 AM 562 Views
Ah, I can understand if that is the case. - 23/08/2012 07:46:38 PM 526 Views
I read it the same way Jen did - 23/08/2012 08:49:16 PM 460 Views
Why? - 23/08/2012 08:51:59 PM 539 Views
See your reply here - the bit before the comma then the bit after it. - 23/08/2012 09:06:20 PM 527 Views
You can see where there's room for doubt in that though, surely. - 23/08/2012 09:20:19 PM 502 Views
I accept there are exceptions under some circumstances - but they are exceptions, not the rule. - 23/08/2012 09:44:36 PM 513 Views
Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 10:28:13 PM 486 Views
Re: Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 10:50:59 PM 453 Views
Re: Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 11:15:50 PM 458 Views
Re: Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 11:28:56 PM 557 Views
couple things - 24/08/2012 01:57:04 AM 465 Views
Re: couple things - 24/08/2012 02:26:23 PM 497 Views
Re: couple things - 24/08/2012 02:45:38 PM 445 Views
Re: couple things - 25/08/2012 12:11:03 AM 490 Views
You may be talking about Galloway and not Assange, but Galloway was talking about Assange. - 24/08/2012 06:28:00 PM 472 Views
Ew. - 24/08/2012 06:56:27 PM 508 Views
Yes, that about covers it. - 24/08/2012 07:42:13 PM 478 Views
Yes, I was talking about Galoway and what he said - 25/08/2012 12:15:15 AM 616 Views
Re: Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 11:34:51 PM 545 Views
I can - 23/08/2012 11:05:05 PM 433 Views
I gotta say I am with Paul - 24/08/2012 12:27:44 AM 532 Views
Hm. - 24/08/2012 02:08:33 AM 450 Views
OK - 23/08/2012 09:35:35 PM 476 Views
Bullshit. - 23/08/2012 10:00:54 PM 446 Views
Re: Bullshit. - 23/08/2012 10:52:02 PM 638 Views
To start again then Joel - 23/08/2012 11:14:07 PM 461 Views
My mistake then, sorry. - 23/08/2012 11:32:34 PM 499 Views
Agreeing without agreeing. - 23/08/2012 12:24:10 PM 560 Views
I have gotten used to you being right for the wrong reasons. - 23/08/2012 07:42:32 PM 471 Views
Yes - 23/08/2012 06:34:38 AM 628 Views
Indeed - 23/08/2012 08:47:40 PM 455 Views
I don't know about Galloway but Akin is being made to pay for his commnets - 23/08/2012 04:37:12 PM 554 Views
Um, I'm not sure about that last bit - 23/08/2012 10:43:15 PM 474 Views
this issue has been discussed none stop for two days and this almost never mentioned - 24/08/2012 12:28:25 PM 472 Views
well, that is where I'm confused. - 24/08/2012 07:03:16 PM 501 Views
Maybe I watch to much CNN - 24/08/2012 07:30:23 PM 449 Views
Yeah, I'm curious about that last point as well. - 24/08/2012 02:53:43 AM 525 Views
McCaskills campaign ran ads during the GOP primary calling Akin the "most conservative" candidate. - 24/08/2012 03:33:18 AM 672 Views
Interesting. - 24/08/2012 04:49:51 AM 463 Views
no it isn't kinda true - 24/08/2012 12:50:53 PM 442 Views

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