If this kind of thing happens in an established long-term relationship, I think we can all agree that, while many people may still find it a dubious thing to do, calling it rape is absurd.
But I have been trying to decide how I feel about this. I think I would feel extremely yucky if I woke up and my SO were going to town. That person wouldn't be needing me, just a ... uh, orifice. Ew. And I can't see that I'd prosecute my SO, but I am actually pretty sure I'd be shitty about it for quite a while, and that's making me wonder if the real definition shouldn't be rape. I kinda don't want it to be, but the comparison to the blow up doll isn't far off.
Of course this was not a long-term relationship, or even a relationship at all, just a one night stand. But that one night stand having happened does create a certain grey area - it makes some things natural enough that would've been creepy or downright sexual harassment if he'd done them to someone he had no sexual relationship of any kind with. I think just about every sane person would agree that actually having sex with her while she was asleep goes far beyond the level of increased familiarity which their prior consensual sex made justifiable - but it's hard to draw clear lines in that.
You are definitely right that it's hard to draw clear lines; I know what I think, but I can see how someone could have been confused. Especially if sleepy.
Rape - British left wing politician takes on American right wing politician in stupidest comment off
- 22/08/2012 11:03:50 PM
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Galloway - I'll always remember him for being a Cat to be honest.
- 22/08/2012 11:14:58 PM
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That is second on my list of things I remember about him, probably down to third now.
- 22/08/2012 11:21:17 PM
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People who support abortion only for rape are the most retarded in the whole debate
- 23/08/2012 01:05:17 AM
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Bullshit
- 23/08/2012 05:01:24 AM
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That's an interesting variation with some legitimacy, though not compelling, to me anyway
- 23/08/2012 07:25:50 AM
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That is a dangerous line of logic.
- 23/08/2012 09:26:25 PM
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Okay, that really wasn't connected to my comments
- 24/08/2012 02:39:21 AM
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Sure it was, but we can do it your way.
- 24/08/2012 04:10:37 AM
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Yet you don't, you jump the gun here too
- 24/08/2012 04:37:02 AM
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I was trying to cut to the chase; like I say, I followed your logic: I just disliked where it led.
- 24/08/2012 06:10:40 AM
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Disliking the conclusion doesn't invalidate the logic, and stop veering out of the debate boundary
- 24/08/2012 06:43:43 AM
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No, the logics invalidity does that, though you do not seem to like its conclusion either.
- 24/08/2012 07:48:21 AM
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I'm not even sure what that means
- 25/08/2012 12:38:56 AM
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The logic is invalid because invalid, however either of us feels about where it leads.
- 25/08/2012 10:37:34 PM
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Okay, we're done here
- 26/08/2012 05:36:28 AM
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Quotes are not my opinion.
- 26/08/2012 06:37:19 AM
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You'd really benefit from post-secondary education.
- 26/08/2012 12:14:02 PM
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Further post-secondary education, you mean; probably so, though not for the reasons you stated.
- 26/08/2012 08:20:45 PM
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Haven't you and Joel had about the same amount of post-secondary education, actually?
- 27/08/2012 01:31:43 AM
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It has nothing to do with consequences or responsibility. It's about life & privacy. Period
- 23/08/2012 12:04:55 PM
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To be honest, I think people MIGHT be overreacting to both comments.
- 23/08/2012 01:33:54 AM
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Really? *NM*
- 23/08/2012 06:33:46 AM
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Yeah.
- 23/08/2012 06:40:05 AM
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I expect it is more of a "stating the obvious" response.
- 23/08/2012 02:01:18 PM
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Heh, I didn't think so.
- 23/08/2012 05:44:55 PM
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I said Akins comments needed MORE context.
- 23/08/2012 08:50:09 PM
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Yes, I saw that.
- 23/08/2012 10:28:50 PM
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Re: Yes, I saw that.
- 23/08/2012 11:04:40 PM
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Re: Yes, I saw that.
- 23/08/2012 11:08:46 PM
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Science sometimes produces shocking discoveries.
- 23/08/2012 11:28:47 PM
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And sometimes one doctor with an agenda pulls "facts" out of the air
- 23/08/2012 11:37:37 PM
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This
- 23/08/2012 08:50:43 PM
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Eh
- 23/08/2012 10:37:15 PM
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I read it the same way Jen did
- 23/08/2012 08:49:16 PM
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Why?
- 23/08/2012 08:51:59 PM
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See your reply here - the bit before the comma then the bit after it.
- 23/08/2012 09:06:20 PM
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You can see where there's room for doubt in that though, surely.
- 23/08/2012 09:20:19 PM
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I accept there are exceptions under some circumstances - but they are exceptions, not the rule.
- 23/08/2012 09:44:36 PM
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Well, I have to clarify...
- 23/08/2012 10:28:13 PM
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Re: Well, I have to clarify...
- 23/08/2012 10:50:59 PM
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- 23/08/2012 11:15:50 PM
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- 23/08/2012 11:28:56 PM
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couple things
- 24/08/2012 01:57:04 AM
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Re: couple things
- 24/08/2012 02:26:23 PM
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You may be talking about Galloway and not Assange, but Galloway was talking about Assange.
- 24/08/2012 06:28:00 PM
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I can
- 23/08/2012 11:05:05 PM
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OK
- 23/08/2012 09:35:35 PM
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Bullshit.
- 23/08/2012 10:00:54 PM
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Re: Bullshit.
- 23/08/2012 10:52:02 PM
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I don't know about Galloway but Akin is being made to pay for his commnets
- 23/08/2012 04:37:12 PM
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Um, I'm not sure about that last bit
- 23/08/2012 10:43:15 PM
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this issue has been discussed none stop for two days and this almost never mentioned
- 24/08/2012 12:28:25 PM
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Yeah, I'm curious about that last point as well.
- 24/08/2012 02:53:43 AM
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McCaskills campaign ran ads during the GOP primary calling Akin the "most conservative" candidate.
- 24/08/2012 03:33:18 AM
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Interesting.
- 24/08/2012 04:49:51 AM
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Yeah, that about covers it; personally, I am developing a grudging respect for Akin.
- 24/08/2012 06:30:43 AM
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no it isn't kinda true
- 24/08/2012 12:50:53 PM
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The MO GOP voters who nominated him for being "most conservative" think it is.
- 25/08/2012 10:52:02 PM
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