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Re: Well, I have to clarify... nossy Send a noteboard - 23/08/2012 11:15:50 PM
I don't think it's nonsense to be bothered about the notion of people being accused or even convicted of rape when they were understandably convinced, based on reasonable grounds, that it was consensual. Of course, "reasonable grounds" are impossible to define, but then that's why it's a grey area. Obviously in general it's about consent, not refusal, but in cases where there are "reasonable grounds" to lead one to conclude that it's consensual, it's important for the non-consenting partner to make that refusal clear. And having previously had consensual sex does change one's frame of reference, changes how explicit a consent you'd need to reasonably suppose that sex is welcome.

See the thing is I flat out disagree here - this is where my blow up doll comment comes in. It is utter nonsense to assume that because she agreed to sex once he could have sex with her whenever he wanted - that is still rape, just the kind that no one cared about 30 years ago.

I think Paul is right on at least one point - no, I do not think people should have sex with someone's body whenever they want, but I do think it could be gray area on whether you have consent, especially if both people are sleepy and one doesn't realize the other isn't awake. I would like to be able to say anything with certainty, but I am not sure we can say he was entirely in his right mind and that he would have sexed her up no matter what. Joel is also partly right, that if we're going to assume innocence rather than guilt, we do have to take his position seriously. At any rate, ew, I'm tired of thinking about this guy and his sleepy sex.
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Galloway - I'll always remember him for being a Cat to be honest. - 22/08/2012 11:14:58 PM 626 Views
Erm... what on earth is that? - 22/08/2012 11:19:13 PM 448 Views
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People who support abortion only for rape are the most retarded in the whole debate - 23/08/2012 01:05:17 AM 596 Views
Bullshit - 23/08/2012 05:01:24 AM 502 Views
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That is a dangerous line of logic. - 23/08/2012 09:26:25 PM 752 Views
Okay, that really wasn't connected to my comments - 24/08/2012 02:39:21 AM 453 Views
Sure it was, but we can do it your way. - 24/08/2012 04:10:37 AM 523 Views
Yet you don't, you jump the gun here too - 24/08/2012 04:37:02 AM 537 Views
I was trying to cut to the chase; like I say, I followed your logic: I just disliked where it led. - 24/08/2012 06:10:40 AM 619 Views
Disliking the conclusion doesn't invalidate the logic, and stop veering out of the debate boundary - 24/08/2012 06:43:43 AM 572 Views
No, the logics invalidity does that, though you do not seem to like its conclusion either. - 24/08/2012 07:48:21 AM 732 Views
I'm not even sure what that means - 25/08/2012 12:38:56 AM 463 Views
The logic is invalid because invalid, however either of us feels about where it leads. - 25/08/2012 10:37:34 PM 527 Views
Okay, we're done here - 26/08/2012 05:36:28 AM 495 Views
Quotes are not my opinion. - 26/08/2012 06:37:19 AM 469 Views
You'd really benefit from post-secondary education. - 26/08/2012 12:14:02 PM 559 Views
Haven't you and Joel had about the same amount of post-secondary education, actually? - 27/08/2012 01:31:43 AM 587 Views
T^T - 27/08/2012 04:39:33 AM 512 Views
Is that the emoticon for perky titties? *NM* - 27/08/2012 11:07:06 PM 250 Views
He is an absolute berk. *NM* - 23/08/2012 01:08:58 AM 453 Views
To be honest, I think people MIGHT be overreacting to both comments. - 23/08/2012 01:33:54 AM 580 Views
Really? *NM* - 23/08/2012 06:33:46 AM 329 Views
Yeah. - 23/08/2012 06:40:05 AM 527 Views
I expect it is more of a "stating the obvious" response. - 23/08/2012 02:01:18 PM 522 Views
Heh, I didn't think so. - 23/08/2012 05:44:55 PM 565 Views
I said Akins comments needed MORE context. - 23/08/2012 08:50:09 PM 655 Views
Yes, I saw that. - 23/08/2012 10:28:50 PM 475 Views
Re: Yes, I saw that. - 23/08/2012 11:04:40 PM 502 Views
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Science sometimes produces shocking discoveries. - 23/08/2012 11:28:47 PM 504 Views
And sometimes one doctor with an agenda pulls "facts" out of the air - 23/08/2012 11:37:37 PM 547 Views
No argument there. - 23/08/2012 11:46:01 PM 537 Views
This - 23/08/2012 08:50:43 PM 551 Views
Okay. I misunderstood. Sorry. *NM* - 23/08/2012 09:58:20 PM 299 Views
Eh - 23/08/2012 10:37:15 PM 494 Views
Well, I didn't take it that way. - 23/08/2012 10:42:01 PM 565 Views
Good - 24/08/2012 02:20:27 AM 563 Views
Ah, I can understand if that is the case. - 23/08/2012 07:46:38 PM 527 Views
I read it the same way Jen did - 23/08/2012 08:49:16 PM 462 Views
Why? - 23/08/2012 08:51:59 PM 540 Views
See your reply here - the bit before the comma then the bit after it. - 23/08/2012 09:06:20 PM 529 Views
You can see where there's room for doubt in that though, surely. - 23/08/2012 09:20:19 PM 505 Views
I accept there are exceptions under some circumstances - but they are exceptions, not the rule. - 23/08/2012 09:44:36 PM 514 Views
Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 10:28:13 PM 488 Views
Re: Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 10:50:59 PM 455 Views
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couple things - 24/08/2012 01:57:04 AM 467 Views
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You may be talking about Galloway and not Assange, but Galloway was talking about Assange. - 24/08/2012 06:28:00 PM 474 Views
Ew. - 24/08/2012 06:56:27 PM 510 Views
Yes, that about covers it. - 24/08/2012 07:42:13 PM 480 Views
Yes, I was talking about Galoway and what he said - 25/08/2012 12:15:15 AM 619 Views
Re: Well, I have to clarify... - 23/08/2012 11:34:51 PM 546 Views
I can - 23/08/2012 11:05:05 PM 436 Views
I gotta say I am with Paul - 24/08/2012 12:27:44 AM 535 Views
Hm. - 24/08/2012 02:08:33 AM 451 Views
OK - 23/08/2012 09:35:35 PM 478 Views
Bullshit. - 23/08/2012 10:00:54 PM 447 Views
Re: Bullshit. - 23/08/2012 10:52:02 PM 639 Views
To start again then Joel - 23/08/2012 11:14:07 PM 463 Views
My mistake then, sorry. - 23/08/2012 11:32:34 PM 501 Views
Agreeing without agreeing. - 23/08/2012 12:24:10 PM 563 Views
I have gotten used to you being right for the wrong reasons. - 23/08/2012 07:42:32 PM 472 Views
Yes - 23/08/2012 06:34:38 AM 631 Views
Indeed - 23/08/2012 08:47:40 PM 458 Views
I don't know about Galloway but Akin is being made to pay for his commnets - 23/08/2012 04:37:12 PM 556 Views
Um, I'm not sure about that last bit - 23/08/2012 10:43:15 PM 476 Views
this issue has been discussed none stop for two days and this almost never mentioned - 24/08/2012 12:28:25 PM 475 Views
well, that is where I'm confused. - 24/08/2012 07:03:16 PM 502 Views
Maybe I watch to much CNN - 24/08/2012 07:30:23 PM 451 Views
Yeah, I'm curious about that last point as well. - 24/08/2012 02:53:43 AM 528 Views
McCaskills campaign ran ads during the GOP primary calling Akin the "most conservative" candidate. - 24/08/2012 03:33:18 AM 675 Views
Interesting. - 24/08/2012 04:49:51 AM 466 Views
no it isn't kinda true - 24/08/2012 12:50:53 PM 445 Views

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