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I hold to the view that most food is organic Isaac Send a noteboard - 12/09/2012 12:15:27 AM
In context, I garden and I don't tend to fertilize with much more than compost and traditional additives, though this has more to do with the game, achieve maximum results with X method, rather than any dislike for fertilizer or pesticides.

1. Do you think organic food is healthier/safer/more nutritious than ordinary food?


It is slightly safer in terms of pesticide risk, if we also include livestock there are antibiotic issues too, as for more nutritious? No, probably the reverse unless one is eating principally self grown or locally grown stuff. Depending on the nutrient - iron is one and obviously does not decay in transport for instance - lag time on transport and storage concerns can decrease nutrient content, macro and micro.

2. What do you think is the most important benefit derived from organic farming?


Well for organic gardening a certain stress relief and feeling of independence and control. For organic farming though, society benefits from alternative methods being tried out that are often out of the box and the general increase in health and agricultural knowledge many have gotten from paying attention. Additionally it is in our long term advantage while transport remains a major constraining value to encourage a marked preference for high-proximity crops. Otherwise, there are none, organic farming is wasteful, in most cases ecological neutral or even negative, and often promotes pseudo-science.

3. What do you think will be the role of organic food in 20 years? Will it continue to grow in the future?


Not much, it is a fad, now many of the techniques might continue and new ones be introduced but it's strictly a mind game and the increased price will limit expansion.

4. At least the world's population will continue to grow. Is it sensible to push for organic farming with its low crop yields when people are starving?


To a degree yes, though in most respects no, our world-wide famine issues mostly have to do not with a shortage of food but distribution issues, many of the organic growth methods are actually useful to subsistence farmers in distant poorer places and the more importantly the methods they seek to develop and pursue are better.

Let us keep in mind there are some 50 million square miles of land, some 32 billion acres, of which at least a third is readily convertible to reasonably arable land and most readily converted in those low-wealth places by such methods. 10 billion acres can easily feed 20 billion people even with the most half-assed of organic growth methods. Truthfully one should be able to derive 10-20 man-years of food per acre year, and while high-tech heavy infrastructure is more profitable and efficient, it is only so when the logistics of distribution permit it... those are not an issue if the person is doing it with hoe and shovel in their backyard.

5. Should the use of GMOS be allowed in organic farming?


That's more of a product issue, I don't care if polyester is better than cotton, you can't have it in a 100% cotton shirt. If the places are attempting to market themselves as low-drift heirloom crops only, GMO obviously has no business in it. As for GMO's themselves, like polyester they are of inestimable value.

Okay, I think that's about it. The rest of this post is stuff that I've been rolling around in my head.

I'm not very enthusiastic about organic farming. I admit that from an environmental viewpoint it is better than traditional farming (less fertilizers, more biodiversity). That and animal welfare (a matter of legislation) are the most important and beneficial aspects of organic farming, IMO. I absolutely loath the "health food" argument. I am not terrified of small traces of pesticides. People clinging to their organic foods because they are supposedly somehow more wholesome than ordinary foods annoy the hell out of me.


Well 'bio-diversity' is more applicable to polyculture, which falls under the heading of 'organic' but like a lot of this stuff predates the fad. It's true that you get higher net calorie yields per area and better soil health from polyculture but single-crop yields tends to maximize production of X for a minimum expenditure of time/labor.
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I'd be interested in knowing what you guys think about organic food - 11/09/2012 08:01:41 PM 1007 Views
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