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I have some serious problems with that I'm afraid. TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 14/09/2012 05:53:39 PM
The first case depends on the sterilization method: If plants produce no pollen, that is one thing, but sterile GMO pollen will prevent reproduction in neighboring non-GMO plants it "fertilizes." Proving that requires no experimentation beyond Mendels existing ones.

The logic behind this is flawed I'm afraid. Most of the GMO cereals in question don't carry the terminator gene in their pollen so the sterilisation of other plants is impossible. For the very few that don't, most GMO cereals have a maximum pollen range of about 60m and an active range of much smaller than that, this is because they're self-pollinators. In reality this means that there is a massive chance that you're going to be pollinated by the plant next to you, regardless of what is further way. What you would get is the occasional pollination from the sterile crop (which produces a sterile seed and you start again it does not sterilise the whole plant) while continual swamping from much closer pollen producing fertile individuals (which actually produce seeds).

Likewise, if GMOs are hardier than non-GMOs, natural selection makes their dominance inevitable, as environmental conditions result in fewer and fewer non-GMOs each generation, and more and more GMOs gobbling up the resources on which both varieties depend. In agriculture, that is not even limited to GMOs that are not designed to be sterile, because more and more farmers will turn to the more robust GMOs rather than traditional non-GMOs.

Your understanding of agricultural crops is misleading you here. GMO crops aren't suited to run wild away from agricultural areas, they can't compete without ground preparation and you know, farming. GMO's aren't super-crops, they're designed to have very specific roles (provide extra Vitamin A, produce a protein that prevents larval development in a moth larvae that can only survive on monoculture). Most of the time they're not even as hardy as the crops they're replacing in any other medium than the one they're in.

Finally, herbicides kill plants (a case of doing exactly what is on the tin,) so GMOs that produce herbicides are as much a threat to other crops as they are to weeds.

This only requires threat assessment to debunk. Firstly, these herbicides are specific, if it can be produced by a plant to kill a weed it won't be able to kill a similar crop. I'm sure there are blanket herbicides that will kill anything that even dreams of being green but plants can't produce that in their cells. So even if the toxins did reach the non-GMO crops it wouldn't provide anything other than weed protection. Secondly you've got to look at how likely the exposure is, how often are GMO and non-GMO crops planted close enough together that a toxin produced in the cells of a plant could reach? I've frankly never heard of a case where plants have been engineered to produce a toxin other than to stop things feeding on them, the great thing about this is it stays in the plant. Even if they could get a plant to produce a herbicide (god knows why they would which is the main question), the chances of it getting out of the plant in harmful concentrations, never mind to crops outside the farming area is tiny.

The problem with GMO and herbicides isn't that herbicides produced by plants might reach NTO's, it's that herbicide resistant GMO's might cause farmers to go wild and spray herbicides are far more than they need to. This isn't a problem with GMO's, it's a problem with poor farming techniques.
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