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I never would have thought Romney could lay such a beatdown on Obama as I saw last night. Narg Send a noteboard - 04/10/2012 08:55:46 PM
Obama getting worked in a foreign policy debate may not seem like reality to you, but neither did last night seem like a possibility until it happened right in front of us.

It turns out Romney isn't a bumbling moron and Obama's intellect doesn't far outshine everybody in the room. Obama could lose that foreign policy debate.

Plus, without the media filter Romney may very well paint a picture that the President's handling of Benghazi was far worse than his own.
A little learning is a dangerous thing.
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Romney CRUSHES Obama in First Debate - Leads Swing States by 4% Anonymous2000 - 04/10/2012 05:32:32 AM 1122 Views
So, is that from a "corrected", "non-skewed" poll? Larry - 04/10/2012 05:51:58 AM 631 Views
Nope, I checked Betfair, the odds on Romney continue to drift Sports_Gambler - 04/10/2012 10:02:16 AM 719 Views
Wow, you suck at Googling! Anonymous2000 - 04/10/2012 01:14:22 PM 829 Views
Which poll at your link shows anything but Obama leading every swing state but NC? Joel - 04/10/2012 05:41:31 PM 742 Views
No, you just apparently suck at math Larry - 04/10/2012 07:17:20 PM 594 Views
I know you are sad, but your Messiah may still win.....you never know! Anonymous2000 - 04/10/2012 07:23:16 PM 661 Views
your mental instability and misperception of reality are worrisome -- please seek professional help moondog - 04/10/2012 07:54:45 PM 749 Views
Coming from you, that's a huge compliment! Thanks. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 04/10/2012 08:21:49 PM 475 Views
I'm more of a syndicalist, sorry Larry - 04/10/2012 08:43:48 PM 694 Views
Ooh, would you mind talking more about syndicalism? Burr - 04/10/2012 11:28:40 PM 600 Views
Sure, but I'm no doctrainaire on this Larry - 05/10/2012 01:13:19 AM 768 Views
Thank you! Reading the wikipedia entry was making my eyes glaze over. But I can try again now. *NM* Burr - 05/10/2012 02:14:50 PM 523 Views
It really should be mandatory for everyone to read factcheck.org after every debate. *NM* Nebhead - 04/10/2012 09:38:24 AM 369 Views
Seriously. The number of times I squinted and thought, "Wait, that doesn't sound quite right" beetnemesis - 04/10/2012 02:01:12 PM 722 Views
Romney addressed that head-on Tom - 04/10/2012 02:13:44 PM 616 Views
Yeah, that "20 million" comment raised my eyebrows. beetnemesis - 04/10/2012 04:15:49 PM 978 Views
Why are you not counting the elderly? Tom - 04/10/2012 07:33:28 PM 868 Views
Yeah, but it ain't, and it was Obamas job to make that unnecessary. Joel - 04/10/2012 03:26:50 PM 729 Views
Obama - Lost and Bewildered without Teleprompter.....funny stuff! Anonymous2000 - 04/10/2012 01:10:40 PM 648 Views
Which part of Romneys socialism was your favorite? Joel - 04/10/2012 03:38:17 PM 750 Views
I keep thinking that was what killed Obama. nossy - 04/10/2012 04:45:02 PM 670 Views
I suspected that was a lot of it, yeah, but he should have been prepared for the Etch-a-Sketch. Joel - 04/10/2012 05:25:35 PM 654 Views
living in a bubble where everyone agreed on those things and is what killed him random thoughts - 04/10/2012 05:59:29 PM 699 Views
why do you silly lefites keep acting like Romney is the first guy to move to the center? random thoughts - 04/10/2012 05:46:13 PM 860 Views
The primary was six months ago, and endorsing every aspect of limited welfare states is not centrist Joel - 04/10/2012 06:00:56 PM 683 Views
can you support that insane argument? *NM* random thoughts - 05/10/2012 01:10:11 PM 248 Views
Romney explicitly endorsed regulations, soaking the rich, entitlements and public education funding. Joel - 05/10/2012 02:25:49 PM 700 Views
you could have just said no random thoughts - 05/10/2012 05:25:44 PM 662 Views
Since when was Romney (or any Republican since TRs day) for more regulation or hiring more teachers? Joel - 06/10/2012 01:33:53 PM 729 Views
Well Bush was pushing for more banking regulations but Barney Franks blocked him random thoughts - 07/10/2012 03:52:50 PM 822 Views
A2000, your message should read: heartbreak - 04/10/2012 03:42:18 PM 670 Views
I consider the margin of error implied. Joel - 04/10/2012 05:49:50 PM 575 Views
Unfortunately statistics does not support that. heartbreak - 04/10/2012 06:11:56 PM 688 Views
Of course they do; the law of averages supports that. Joel - 04/10/2012 06:46:27 PM 720 Views
Poll numbers aren't random so even if the law of averages could be applied to a small data set... heartbreak - 04/10/2012 07:05:49 PM 597 Views
If not random, they are indicative (if not necessary conclusive,) and the data set is large enough. Joel - 04/10/2012 08:55:24 PM 588 Views
Let me rephrase: the law of averages is a belief. You are basing your conclusion on a belief. heartbreak - 04/10/2012 09:23:50 PM 662 Views
I have never used the Law of Averages to mean anything except the (proven) Law of Large Numbers. Joel - 05/10/2012 09:22:56 AM 774 Views
I'm pretty sure that 136 is not a large number. *NM* heartbreak - 05/10/2012 12:20:35 PM 394 Views
That is a matter of opinion, but for a binary event I think it huge. Joel - 05/10/2012 12:42:24 PM 698 Views
Without additional data, the default would be that the coin is fair. Since... heartbreak - 05/10/2012 05:20:21 PM 628 Views
After 136 trials the DEFAULT assumption no longer applies in the face of ample hard data. Joel - 06/10/2012 04:02:51 PM 755 Views
I did the same experiment I suggested for you. heartbreak - 06/10/2012 04:45:28 PM 601 Views
Still not a 3:1 ratio. Joel - 06/10/2012 06:09:00 PM 838 Views
Let me try and put it a slightly different way. heartbreak - 06/10/2012 08:12:35 PM 703 Views
The more lopsided/large the trial, the more LIKELY the coin is unfair;weight is the only way to KNOW Joel - 07/10/2012 12:09:27 PM 849 Views
You're completely missing the point. heartbreak - 07/10/2012 03:34:29 PM 702 Views
But 100 polls isn't analogous to 100 coin flips. Each of thousands of individuals is a coin flip. Burr - 07/10/2012 11:05:13 PM 686 Views
that is why you can't base things on just one poll random thoughts - 05/10/2012 01:27:18 AM 774 Views
You are making the same mistake Joel is making. You should read our discussion. *NM* heartbreak - 05/10/2012 01:50:01 AM 449 Views
there is a difference between statistical errors and model or method errors random thoughts - 05/10/2012 03:28:38 AM 659 Views
There is a difference between the law of averages and the law of large numbers. heartbreak - 05/10/2012 04:45:00 AM 854 Views
you left out part of that wiki quote you pasted random thoughts - 05/10/2012 05:30:52 AM 799 Views
You still haven't justified the application of the law of large numbers. heartbreak - 05/10/2012 12:24:51 PM 554 Views
I suggest you take some time to understand what I wrote and get back to me random thoughts - 05/10/2012 01:12:03 PM 584 Views
I obviously must have missed where you justified the use of the law of large numbers. heartbreak - 05/10/2012 04:43:51 PM 633 Views
WellI did that twice and I am waiting for you to refute what I said *NM* random thoughts - 05/10/2012 05:28:18 PM 431 Views
Since you are unwilling to be helpful... heartbreak - 05/10/2012 05:50:47 PM 744 Views
The law is a trend throughout, not a pass/fail based on if the number of polls is "large enough" Burr - 06/10/2012 03:26:33 PM 728 Views
I'm not saying that the law of large numbers doesn't make the margin of error less when... heartbreak - 06/10/2012 04:55:16 PM 610 Views
decades of polling history say you are wrong random thoughts - 07/10/2012 04:08:45 PM 895 Views
Stating that, "decades of polling history say you are wrong" doesn't prove your point. heartbreak - 07/10/2012 05:35:57 PM 578 Views
you are either ignoring what I am saying or you are mentally unable to understand it so I am done random thoughts - 07/10/2012 06:11:22 PM 536 Views
As you wish. I'm starting to get the same feeling from you as well. So whatever. But before you go.. heartbreak - 07/10/2012 07:20:17 PM 688 Views
can wait for Ryan vs Bozo the VP random thoughts - 04/10/2012 06:07:30 PM 543 Views
+1 - that debate is going to be comical! Anonymous2000 - 04/10/2012 07:24:26 PM 658 Views
I would end up with alchohol posioning *NM* random thoughts - 04/10/2012 10:16:51 PM 400 Views
If Biden performs as expected... Tom - 04/10/2012 07:46:16 PM 691 Views
your take on obama's foreign policy debate performance does not seem like reality moondog - 04/10/2012 08:00:51 PM 630 Views
I never would have thought Romney could lay such a beatdown on Obama as I saw last night. Narg - 04/10/2012 08:55:46 PM 704 Views
we saw the anti-romney last night. i doubt obama is going to be so flat-footed against him next time moondog - 04/10/2012 10:35:21 PM 630 Views
Hilarious. Narg - 04/10/2012 11:20:32 PM 585 Views
Re: Hilarious. moondog - 05/10/2012 12:27:33 AM 594 Views
Why can it not be both? Joel - 05/10/2012 12:58:59 PM 733 Views
by that you mean he isn't the Romney the left tried to pretend he was and now they are mad random thoughts - 05/10/2012 12:53:00 AM 739 Views
right.... that whole 47% thing is a totally moderate position for a politician to take... *NM* moondog - 05/10/2012 04:32:25 AM 358 Views
about as moderate as thinking the government didn't help New Orleans because it has a lot of blacks random thoughts - 05/10/2012 04:51:15 AM 652 Views
if you only have obama's comments from LAST election in 2008 then you have nothing moondog - 05/10/2012 03:38:07 PM 588 Views
who would you consider our number one geopolitical foe? random thoughts - 04/10/2012 10:12:53 PM 710 Views
China is far more dangerous. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2012 07:23:06 AM 305 Views
Whoa, was not expecting that point of agreement. Joel - 05/10/2012 12:35:35 PM 740 Views
I'm not frightened of them, but they're hardly an ally. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2012 03:55:45 PM 406 Views
I am not frightened, but am concerned. Joel - 06/10/2012 01:27:40 PM 712 Views
they may be more dangerous but that doesn't that doesn't automatically make them first random thoughts - 05/10/2012 01:09:30 PM 711 Views
name two foreign policy decisions russia has blocked since 2008 *NM* moondog - 05/10/2012 03:41:15 PM 338 Views
That's fair enough. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/10/2012 03:54:56 PM 352 Views
It's generally both of them, really, isn't it? Legolas - 05/10/2012 10:03:39 PM 586 Views
Agreed; much of it is that both China and Russia profit handsomely from nuclear proliferation. Joel - 06/10/2012 01:55:21 PM 713 Views
They both block us in the Middle East but Russia blocks us in Europe o a much larger degree random thoughts - 07/10/2012 04:22:40 PM 640 Views
WOW - Even the liberal CNN Poll confirms Romney's crushing victory. Anonymous2000 - 04/10/2012 07:27:28 PM 740 Views
I could have crushed either of them in that debate TheCrownless - 04/10/2012 09:26:07 PM 721 Views
I watched it now. A few thoughts (albeit rather late): Legolas - 05/10/2012 09:46:02 PM 774 Views
You are correct on all points. Avendesora - 07/10/2012 03:12:51 AM 882 Views
"There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe." Joel - 07/10/2012 02:03:49 PM 1162 Views
you are missing a key point random thoughts - 07/10/2012 04:34:17 PM 679 Views
Am I missing that point? I thought I said clearly enough that I thought Romney was better. *NM* Legolas - 07/10/2012 08:47:42 PM 413 Views
maybe, seemed that way to me random thoughts - 08/10/2012 03:18:18 PM 656 Views
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