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Sorry, that is just an attempted role-reversal; objecting to hatred is not the "real hatred." Joel Send a noteboard - 16/10/2012 01:26:39 AM
that support protecting the traditional definition of marriage don't do it because they are "hateful bigots". But then, that is what you do when the other side disagrees with you. You dehumanize them. It justifies your own hate and rage without forcing you to try to look at it from their point of view and see the decent human in them.

Of course it is a lot easier to just paint everybody with the "hateful bigot" label if they see it differently than you. It has been an extremely effective tool in the fight over the definition of marriage. People on both sides are guilty of it.

The "traditional" view of anything is irrelevant to civil rights; tradition is only popular convention that should be imposed on none and has no inherent legitimacy regardless. For centuries the traditional view of blacks was as slaves and of women as second-class citizens, but that did not make it right, only reveal how wrong tradition can be. "Traditionally," marriage has often been polygamous, but no one is racing to defend that.

Now, sacramental marriage is a very different thing, but US state and federal law are themselves legally barred from defining sacraments and vice versa. The Christian Church has no more business performing gay marriages than the state does banning them, but US law already recognizes a host of non-Christian marriages precisely because no church or churches can legally define marriage in the US. Every argument against legal gay marriages boils down to "the bible forbids it" and/or "its unpopular," neither of which is a valid basis for denying the right to wed whom one wishes, with all legal privileges, protections and obligations that entails. On the contrary, the Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection Clause requires homosexuals have all legal rights and privileges everyone else does.
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A Bible belt conservative spent a year pretending to be gay - 14/10/2012 12:25:34 PM 920 Views
Plenty of the comments are really disheartening - 14/10/2012 07:23:42 PM 485 Views
It's like what I heard on the radio. - 14/10/2012 10:42:43 PM 429 Views
Interesting article. *NM* - 15/10/2012 02:28:09 PM 193 Views
"The vast majority of conservative Christians are not hateful bigots at all." - 15/10/2012 10:55:34 PM 446 Views
He does say his mother came around in the end. - 15/10/2012 10:57:50 PM 392 Views
"All politics is local." - 15/10/2012 11:04:41 PM 538 Views
Maybe most conservative christians... - 15/10/2012 11:44:13 PM 432 Views
Sorry, that is just an attempted role-reversal; objecting to hatred is not the "real hatred." - 16/10/2012 01:26:39 AM 397 Views
In addition, the bible doesn't forbid it. The bible is not a monolithic work, but an anthology. - 16/10/2012 02:32:59 AM 516 Views
Go you. - 16/10/2012 03:59:48 AM 448 Views
What I said is correct. - 16/10/2012 05:49:13 PM 378 Views
Hm. *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:58:35 PM 335 Views

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