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Links: Narg Send a noteboard - 27/10/2012 12:51:12 AM
Here is the 2001 proposed legislation opposed by Obama:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB1095.html

2002 proposed legislation opposed by Obama:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1093LV.html

2003 proposed legislation opposed by Obama:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session=

Note the amended language (you can click a link on the page to see it) puts in the same langauge placed in the bill passed by the US congres to ensure that this doesn't give any human rights to an unborn fetus. Obama still opposed it. His comments for opposing the 2003 legislation are not on the record, but his reasons for opposing the 2001 and 2002 legislation regarded fears about limiting abortion.
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God Distances Self From Christian Right Joel - 26/10/2012 01:56:18 PM 1407 Views
Do you really think God would condone abortion? *NM* Dark Knight - 26/10/2012 03:28:25 PM 425 Views
Depends on when a fetus is a being, which the GOP contends is "at the moment of fertilization." Joel - 26/10/2012 03:57:44 PM 705 Views
Actually, I don't see any place in the Bible where God is.... Jeordam - 26/10/2012 04:00:19 PM 899 Views
Where did I say one word about God accommodating our sin? Joel - 26/10/2012 05:55:52 PM 744 Views
You're technically right, Joel, but... Tom - 26/10/2012 07:32:10 PM 735 Views
Almost may count in hand grenades, but definitely not in canon. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:28:57 PM 800 Views
Your lack of scientific understanding is everything in this instance. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 10:44:05 PM 750 Views
Because whether God intends rape is aaaall about science, right? Joel - 26/10/2012 11:08:16 PM 652 Views
You're getting rather emphatic. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:27:07 PM 708 Views
Broad fundamental change to US law by controlling all three branches of government provokes that. Joel - 27/10/2012 12:44:59 AM 730 Views
That's a dangerous stance to take as a Christian Tom - 27/10/2012 01:11:14 AM 737 Views
I agree it is good reading; that does not make it binding. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:37:20 AM 735 Views
Jesus that Greek sounds weird to my ears. Dan - 27/10/2012 03:43:40 AM 842 Views
It's really just simplified Attic. Tom - 27/10/2012 06:11:48 AM 710 Views
Condemn women to die? What a strange way to look at this. Narg - 26/10/2012 07:17:16 PM 769 Views
women *did* die before abortion was legalized, there should be no dispute of this aspect moondog - 26/10/2012 07:27:28 PM 802 Views
So we legalize an illegal act because some are willing to harm themselves to do it? *NM* Narg - 26/10/2012 10:02:37 PM 410 Views
no, we legalize the act so that it can be performed safely without killing both mother *and* child *NM* moondog - 26/10/2012 11:08:52 PM 400 Views
At least you acknowledge it as a child. *NM* Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:28:30 PM 419 Views
Very good point, but that was not (at least soley) what I meant, no. Joel - 26/10/2012 11:12:32 PM 719 Views
If something should be illegal in its own right, it is nonsense to legalize it because criminals Narg - 26/10/2012 11:40:41 PM 744 Views
If banning it saves no lives but inevitably takes more, the ban is counterproductive. Joel - 27/10/2012 12:48:51 AM 782 Views
That is absolutely absurd. It saves the lives of all... Narg - 27/10/2012 12:59:16 AM 784 Views
you're still missing the point that abortions will still be performed if it were illegal moondog - 27/10/2012 01:02:57 AM 720 Views
I'm not missing the point, you are. Narg - 27/10/2012 01:21:39 AM 847 Views
This isn't necessarily true, though it is often due to other factors. nossy - 27/10/2012 02:48:00 PM 744 Views
People who want abortions badly enough to have one will, whether or not law makes it "convenient." Joel - 27/10/2012 02:58:52 AM 697 Views
You're stuck. Narg - 27/10/2012 07:07:36 AM 803 Views
not entirely nossy - 27/10/2012 03:23:07 PM 825 Views
Give me facts, not supposition. Joel - 27/10/2012 04:10:57 PM 754 Views
Telling a woman whose life was in danger not to save it with abortion condemned her to die Joel - 26/10/2012 10:48:53 PM 699 Views
There is no proof that you would accept that a fetus is a child. Narg - 26/10/2012 11:31:50 PM 684 Views
Fantastic question. Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:43:51 PM 710 Views
No, I would err on the side of caution; have often said as much in just those words. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:18:19 AM 702 Views
Sure there is; show me a fetus acting indepedently and consciously. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:15:00 AM 765 Views
Perfect example of media sensationalism Palatine - 26/10/2012 04:13:41 PM 794 Views
I agree with your larger point and am not trying to be argumentative Sareitha Sedai - 26/10/2012 04:29:23 PM 759 Views
yeah, but what do women know about women's issues? this is man talk time! moondog - 26/10/2012 05:01:58 PM 741 Views
THAT is the whole problem with his comment. Joel - 26/10/2012 05:59:40 PM 700 Views
Or it could mean.... Jeordam - 26/10/2012 11:50:53 PM 738 Views
Re: Or it could mean.... moondog - 27/10/2012 12:14:31 AM 718 Views
Having addressed this in response to Legolas in moondogs thread on Mourdock, I will just link that. Joel - 27/10/2012 01:43:48 AM 743 Views
I agree nossy - 26/10/2012 07:27:21 PM 778 Views
It's always a slippery slope, talking about what God did and did not intend. Legolas - 27/10/2012 12:06:22 AM 735 Views
Yes nossy - 27/10/2012 02:20:46 AM 782 Views
There is a logically consistent way; you did not ask for it, so I will be brief. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:53:09 AM 748 Views
I suppose it is splitting hairs. Palatine - 27/10/2012 04:32:43 PM 725 Views
Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause. Joel - 26/10/2012 05:51:28 PM 739 Views
Re: Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause. Cannoli - 27/10/2012 01:17:04 AM 762 Views
Who said anything about denying them funds? Joel - 27/10/2012 01:54:39 AM 789 Views
God intends everything. Palatine - 27/10/2012 04:40:58 PM 813 Views
"Intends" is a big word. Joel - 27/10/2012 09:23:13 PM 732 Views
Re: "Intends" is a big word. Palatine - 29/10/2012 04:56:49 PM 717 Views
I am familiar with the Problem of Evil. Joel - 29/10/2012 06:41:13 PM 732 Views
Absolutely agree. *NM* Legolas - 26/10/2012 11:47:04 PM 374 Views
It is sad that this is getting more press than the Bengazi scandal *NM* random thoughts - 26/10/2012 05:58:22 PM 385 Views
that's probably because it's more relevant to most people's lives *NM* moondog - 26/10/2012 06:06:10 PM 396 Views
It is sad partisanship trumps policy for so many. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:52:34 PM 656 Views
This entire scandal really speaks to the Calvinist heresy in particular. Tom - 26/10/2012 07:10:38 PM 705 Views
I was trying REALLY hard to avoid putting it in precisely those terms. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:12:17 PM 756 Views
Well, but really, the fundamental crux of the issue is precisely that. Tom - 27/10/2012 01:03:26 AM 716 Views
True, but disputing founding articles of faith benefits from tact. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:02:48 AM 671 Views
Come on, Tom. Dannymac - 27/10/2012 03:29:39 AM 718 Views
Are you really defending Calvinism? Be better at metaphysics. Dan - 27/10/2012 03:36:22 AM 774 Views
That's precisely the poor sophistry I'd expect from a Calvinist. Tom - 27/10/2012 06:06:31 AM 723 Views
I believe HE grasps the difference between predestination and determinism well. Joel - 27/10/2012 09:33:14 PM 757 Views
The comment that sparked this was moronic even to the vast majority of religious conservatives. *NM* Narg - 26/10/2012 09:42:51 PM 385 Views
Yet its author remains the only Senate nominee for whom Romney is running ads. Joel - 26/10/2012 10:53:37 PM 703 Views
Is the senator's comment more disgusting to you than the President's vote against the Narg - 26/10/2012 11:54:55 PM 715 Views
how does one vote against a bill which passed by unanimous consent? moondog - 27/10/2012 12:11:37 AM 701 Views
As a state senator in 2001 in illinois he was the sole opponent to the aforementioned bill. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:14:08 AM 389 Views
[citation needed] moondog - 27/10/2012 12:15:41 AM 669 Views
It was an illinois state bill. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:23:12 AM 396 Views
yes, i finally found *something* regarding a state bill which he did oppose moondog - 27/10/2012 12:34:40 AM 737 Views
It is not hard to find, really. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:40:06 AM 679 Views
Links: Narg - 27/10/2012 12:51:12 AM 741 Views
Double post. *NM* Narg - 27/10/2012 12:18:42 AM 368 Views
The BAIPA became federal law 2 years before Obamas Senate win; he says he would have voted for it. Joel - 27/10/2012 02:33:26 AM 697 Views
Once he started taking fire for it he said he would have voted for it? Well that clears that up. Narg - 27/10/2012 07:09:21 AM 886 Views
He "took fire" for a federal law passed before he was in Congress? Joel - 27/10/2012 04:08:25 PM 792 Views
amazing imlad - 28/10/2012 05:04:21 AM 843 Views
Women are certainly encouraged to weigh in, but everyone is entitled to thoughts on the matter Joel - 28/10/2012 02:22:55 PM 705 Views
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