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Yes I can, look up the word environment HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM
Your argument fails.

Fetus lives inside another conscious living person. Living people do not live inside another conscious living organism. Earth's atmosphere is not a conscious living organism.


A different question - what about the self-defense, stand your ground viewpoint? You have the right to evict a home invader, even if they would freeze to death or starve otherwise. You use deadly force to someone who threatens you with bodily harm.

And innocent - everyone is innocent. Are they not? I don't understand why that's important. The woman who died was innocent also. Pregnant women are innocent.


I understand and accept that you put the moral emphasis on the mother, I just don't agree with you.

Stand your ground does not apply if your invite someone into your home. The VAST majority of abortions are performed after voluntary sex. When you choose to have sex, you choose to risk pregnancy, that is how it works. Innocent of what? The child is not yet capable of independent performance of action, and thus can be nothing but innocent. Whereas the mother has had a lifetime to make bad (whatever moral evaluation you wish to apply) choices/actions. Again, check a dictionary.

Furthermore, (giving you further cause to disagree with me) I don't believe that their should be a rape exemption. Why do we execute the baby, when we won't execute the rapist?
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woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion moondog - 14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM 1251 Views
this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM* temeraire - 14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM 225 Views
Well, I guess to expedite the process of argument and counter-argument, I'll post an article an Stephen - 14/11/2012 07:28:01 PM 528 Views
you're right, i should have posted the actual article instead of an editorial. thanks! moondog - 14/11/2012 08:14:42 PM 684 Views
so terrible... i will never understand how this crap is considered "pro-life." *NM* wolfsister - 15/11/2012 01:15:56 AM 310 Views
I consider myself pro-life, and I completely agree with you. Aemon - 15/11/2012 05:45:41 AM 588 Views
Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM* HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM 239 Views
Can you elaborate? Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM 453 Views
Do you have access to her medical charts? HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM 457 Views
The infection was from the fetus inside of her. That is not disputed. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 10:14:52 PM 418 Views
This wasn't pro-life, but more a case of anti-thinking Jeordam - 15/11/2012 06:28:55 PM 487 Views
but the pro-life (or anti-abortion) argument was the reason they gave for not allowing an abortion moondog - 15/11/2012 10:00:14 PM 559 Views
Once you know for certain that the mother is dying, it is too late. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:11:25 PM 463 Views
Statistically speaking... HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM 475 Views
Where did you get your statistics from? TheCrownless - 15/11/2012 09:19:29 PM 708 Views
Psst. Nate - 15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM 517 Views
I'm pretty sure his 0.3% figure comes from TheCrownless - 15/11/2012 10:01:29 PM 430 Views
That would certainly change the difference between the numbers. Nate - 15/11/2012 10:07:42 PM 499 Views
Re: Statistically speaking... HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM 470 Views
Where's the due process? Cannoli - 15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM 545 Views
First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE". Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM 419 Views
That argument is specious HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM 436 Views
But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM 409 Views
Yes I can, look up the word environment HyogaRott - 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM 539 Views
No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. Aeryn - 20/11/2012 01:41:07 PM 415 Views
Re: No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. HyogaRott - 20/11/2012 03:59:19 PM 424 Views
well said Yunalesca - 20/11/2012 05:27:11 PM 523 Views
I agree, but it does not matter. HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:26:17 PM 422 Views
Win some, lose some Cannoli - 15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM 578 Views
In other words, if you don't want to die, become a lesbian. *NM* Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:16:23 PM 238 Views
stop calling women whores Yunalesca - 16/11/2012 04:55:49 PM 508 Views
Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge. Rebekah - 16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM 559 Views
That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER HyogaRott - 17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM 480 Views
Wow. Legolas - 17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM 497 Views
Nah, I don't *try* to insult anyone (most of the time) , though I seem to do so fairly regularly. *NM* HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:41:43 PM 243 Views
Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER Dan - 17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM 593 Views
Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass. HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM 500 Views
The difference between Ireland and the UK is about 0.006% TheCrownless - 17/11/2012 08:31:45 PM 528 Views
It illustrates that the "life of the mother" argument is rare to the point of irrelevance. *NM* HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:45:36 PM 234 Views
And yet this case makes it irrefutably relevant. *NM* Stephen - 20/11/2012 05:18:23 PM 215 Views
No, it really does not. Because the situation is so rare as to not be worth even discussing... HyogaRott - 21/11/2012 03:24:01 PM 424 Views
In your opinion - in mine, and I suspect others here, it is not. snoopcester - 22/11/2012 12:03:20 AM 471 Views
I am not debating opinion, you can't debate opinion, I am trying to point out facts. HyogaRott - 22/11/2012 05:29:24 PM 409 Views
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