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Yes I can, look up the word environment HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM
Your argument fails.

Fetus lives inside another conscious living person. Living people do not live inside another conscious living organism. Earth's atmosphere is not a conscious living organism.


A different question - what about the self-defense, stand your ground viewpoint? You have the right to evict a home invader, even if they would freeze to death or starve otherwise. You use deadly force to someone who threatens you with bodily harm.

And innocent - everyone is innocent. Are they not? I don't understand why that's important. The woman who died was innocent also. Pregnant women are innocent.


I understand and accept that you put the moral emphasis on the mother, I just don't agree with you.

Stand your ground does not apply if your invite someone into your home. The VAST majority of abortions are performed after voluntary sex. When you choose to have sex, you choose to risk pregnancy, that is how it works. Innocent of what? The child is not yet capable of independent performance of action, and thus can be nothing but innocent. Whereas the mother has had a lifetime to make bad (whatever moral evaluation you wish to apply) choices/actions. Again, check a dictionary.

Furthermore, (giving you further cause to disagree with me) I don't believe that their should be a rape exemption. Why do we execute the baby, when we won't execute the rapist?
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woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion moondog - 14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM 1704 Views
this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM* temeraire - 14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM 440 Views
Well, I guess to expedite the process of argument and counter-argument, I'll post an article an Stephen - 14/11/2012 07:28:01 PM 985 Views
you're right, i should have posted the actual article instead of an editorial. thanks! moondog - 14/11/2012 08:14:42 PM 1088 Views
so terrible... i will never understand how this crap is considered "pro-life." *NM* wolfsister - 15/11/2012 01:15:56 AM 524 Views
I consider myself pro-life, and I completely agree with you. Aemon - 15/11/2012 05:45:41 AM 1055 Views
Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM* HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM 412 Views
Can you elaborate? Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM 861 Views
Do you have access to her medical charts? HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM 851 Views
The infection was from the fetus inside of her. That is not disputed. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 10:14:52 PM 802 Views
This wasn't pro-life, but more a case of anti-thinking Jeordam - 15/11/2012 06:28:55 PM 900 Views
but the pro-life (or anti-abortion) argument was the reason they gave for not allowing an abortion moondog - 15/11/2012 10:00:14 PM 972 Views
Once you know for certain that the mother is dying, it is too late. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:11:25 PM 879 Views
Statistically speaking... HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM 871 Views
Where did you get your statistics from? TheCrownless - 15/11/2012 09:19:29 PM 1146 Views
Psst. Nate - 15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM 944 Views
I'm pretty sure his 0.3% figure comes from TheCrownless - 15/11/2012 10:01:29 PM 839 Views
That would certainly change the difference between the numbers. Nate - 15/11/2012 10:07:42 PM 867 Views
Re: Statistically speaking... HyogaRott - 15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM 880 Views
Where's the due process? Cannoli - 15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM 966 Views
First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE". Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM 821 Views
That argument is specious HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM 830 Views
But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites. Aeryn - 16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM 774 Views
Yes I can, look up the word environment HyogaRott - 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM 956 Views
No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. Aeryn - 20/11/2012 01:41:07 PM 848 Views
Re: No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy. HyogaRott - 20/11/2012 03:59:19 PM 837 Views
well said Yunalesca - 20/11/2012 05:27:11 PM 983 Views
I agree, but it does not matter. HyogaRott - 16/11/2012 08:26:17 PM 793 Views
Win some, lose some Cannoli - 15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM 984 Views
In other words, if you don't want to die, become a lesbian. *NM* Aeryn - 16/11/2012 04:16:23 PM 421 Views
stop calling women whores Yunalesca - 16/11/2012 04:55:49 PM 971 Views
Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge. Rebekah - 16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM 942 Views
That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER HyogaRott - 17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM 872 Views
Wow. Legolas - 17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM 928 Views
Nah, I don't *try* to insult anyone (most of the time) , though I seem to do so fairly regularly. *NM* HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:41:43 PM 431 Views
Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER Dan - 17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM 1017 Views
Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass. HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM 884 Views
The difference between Ireland and the UK is about 0.006% TheCrownless - 17/11/2012 08:31:45 PM 917 Views
It illustrates that the "life of the mother" argument is rare to the point of irrelevance. *NM* HyogaRott - 18/11/2012 07:45:36 PM 412 Views
And yet this case makes it irrefutably relevant. *NM* Stephen - 20/11/2012 05:18:23 PM 391 Views
No, it really does not. Because the situation is so rare as to not be worth even discussing... HyogaRott - 21/11/2012 03:24:01 PM 827 Views
In your opinion - in mine, and I suspect others here, it is not. snoopcester - 22/11/2012 12:03:20 AM 887 Views
I am not debating opinion, you can't debate opinion, I am trying to point out facts. HyogaRott - 22/11/2012 05:29:24 PM 813 Views
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