That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER
HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM
Doctors don't go around clubbing terminal stage IV cancer patients in the head like a baby seal either.
THe stage IV cancer patient has just as much chance of survival as that fetus. In fact there is MORE rational for the euthanasia of the cancer patient as at least they can ask to be killed, while the child can not. The death of the mother was NOT a certainty. The death of the child, while extremely likely bordering on certainty, was not a certainty. While the child and mother were alive, the moral obligation of the physicians was to do everything they could to save them BOTH.
One point of note, Ireland, with its strict no abortion law, has a lower instance of maternal death than England which allows elective abortion.
It is real simple, if you don't like the laws in Ireland, don't live there.
THe stage IV cancer patient has just as much chance of survival as that fetus. In fact there is MORE rational for the euthanasia of the cancer patient as at least they can ask to be killed, while the child can not. The death of the mother was NOT a certainty. The death of the child, while extremely likely bordering on certainty, was not a certainty. While the child and mother were alive, the moral obligation of the physicians was to do everything they could to save them BOTH.
One point of note, Ireland, with its strict no abortion law, has a lower instance of maternal death than England which allows elective abortion.
It is real simple, if you don't like the laws in Ireland, don't live there.
woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion
- 14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM
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this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM*
- 14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM
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Well, I guess to expedite the process of argument and counter-argument, I'll post an article an
- 14/11/2012 07:28:01 PM
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you're right, i should have posted the actual article instead of an editorial. thanks!
- 14/11/2012 08:14:42 PM
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so terrible... i will never understand how this crap is considered "pro-life." *NM*
- 15/11/2012 01:15:56 AM
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Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM*
- 15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM
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Can you elaborate?
- 16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM
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Do you have access to her medical charts?
- 16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM
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The infection was from the fetus inside of her. That is not disputed.
- 16/11/2012 10:14:52 PM
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This wasn't pro-life, but more a case of anti-thinking
- 15/11/2012 06:28:55 PM
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but the pro-life (or anti-abortion) argument was the reason they gave for not allowing an abortion
- 15/11/2012 10:00:14 PM
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Once you know for certain that the mother is dying, it is too late.
- 16/11/2012 04:11:25 PM
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Statistically speaking...
- 15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM
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Psst.
- 15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM
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Re: Statistically speaking...
- 15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM
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Where's the due process?
- 15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM
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First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE".
- 16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM
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That argument is specious
- 16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM
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But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites.
- 16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM
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Yes I can, look up the word environment
- 17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM
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Win some, lose some
- 15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM
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Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge.
- 16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM
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That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER
- 17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM
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Wow.
- 17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM
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Nah, I don't *try* to insult anyone (most of the time) , though I seem to do so fairly regularly. *NM*
- 18/11/2012 07:41:43 PM
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Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER
- 17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM
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Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass.
- 18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM
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The difference between Ireland and the UK is about 0.006%
- 17/11/2012 08:31:45 PM
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It illustrates that the "life of the mother" argument is rare to the point of irrelevance. *NM*
- 18/11/2012 07:45:36 PM
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And yet this case makes it irrefutably relevant. *NM*
- 20/11/2012 05:18:23 PM
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No, it really does not. Because the situation is so rare as to not be worth even discussing...
- 21/11/2012 03:24:01 PM
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In your opinion - in mine, and I suspect others here, it is not.
- 22/11/2012 12:03:20 AM
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I am not debating opinion, you can't debate opinion, I am trying to point out facts.
- 22/11/2012 05:29:24 PM
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