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unions still aren't the problem in michigan, it's reliance on a single industry as the main employer moondog Send a noteboard - 12/12/2012 06:37:44 PM
i'd say pissing off the single industry that employs pretty much everyone who works for a living in michigan can hardly be described as a great thing.

A few years ago, Toyota wanted to open up a new factory in Michigan. It was going to bring in about two thousand jobs. Then negotiations with the UAW fell through, so they built it in Mississippi (a right to work state) instead.

As others have said, unions had an important place in the history of our nation and our state, but their time has come and gone.


having toyota bring in 2000 jobs isn't going to affect the long-term employment prospects of the rest of the state. and it's not the UAW's fault, it's the reliance on a single industry to drive your state's economy. michigan needs to diversify its economy so that a bad year for auto sales doesn't drive unemployment up above 10% and beyond. it's not the UAW that is preventing this from happening, btw...
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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1544 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. Tom - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 852 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 795 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 834 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... moondog - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 824 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 775 Views
Dude, that's insane. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 829 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 719 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 782 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less moondog - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 867 Views
The good and the bad of unions: Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 950 Views
Double post. Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 1041 Views
Ok...employeers demanding people to do more for less. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:56:32 PM 779 Views
the point was that the union did not strike, the workers were prevented from working by management moondog - 13/12/2012 11:25:07 PM 827 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... beetnemesis - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 797 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* Narg - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 471 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? Cannoli - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 861 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only moondog - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 749 Views
Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 974 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. Narg - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 878 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... Jeordam - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 921 Views
one point i need to address here: moondog - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 717 Views
Re: I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. moondog - 14/12/2012 10:07:39 PM 698 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: beetnemesis - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 940 Views
it's great? moondog - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 800 Views
Pissed off people.... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 726 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? moondog - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 847 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 698 Views
but that's my point exactly moondog - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 763 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* Isaac - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 396 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 734 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 756 Views
unions still aren't the problem in michigan, it's reliance on a single industry as the main employer moondog - 12/12/2012 06:37:44 PM 709 Views
Michigan is one of the fastest growing areas for the tech industry. Michigan is starting to expand. everynametaken - 19/12/2012 03:28:18 AM 905 Views
So let me get this straight. Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 803 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 756 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD moondog - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 786 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... Tom - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 760 Views
That would be an interesting study... Jeordam - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 746 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... moondog - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 704 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 784 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. moondog - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 780 Views
How is that wrong? Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 725 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions moondog - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 747 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. Tom - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 748 Views
A brilliant argument... Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 822 Views
You are assuming that business owners do not value "on the job" experience Orange - 14/12/2012 09:03:35 AM 884 Views
Your hypothetical doesn't stand up in the real world, however. Tom - 14/12/2012 02:46:23 PM 814 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems moondog - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 734 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics Tom - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 675 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through moondog - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 746 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. Tom - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 731 Views
i'll take you one further.... moondog - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 694 Views
I have suggested that before Tom - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 725 Views
so you did. sorry about that! moondog - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 703 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) Jeordam - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 728 Views
funny thing about that..... moondog - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 689 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 752 Views
What do you want me to say? Jeordam - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 850 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 380 Views
The unions already destroyed the middle class..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:46:56 PM 768 Views
Do you really not understand why unions existed in the first place? Dannymac - 14/12/2012 06:55:27 AM 695 Views
Why they first existed is not in issue. It is if they STILL serve a useful or detrimental purpose. HyogaRott - 14/12/2012 03:00:48 PM 758 Views
Yeah, moron! What is wrong with you, that you do not blindly accept his underlying premise? Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:35:37 AM 1084 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. callandor1000 - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 790 Views
This must be a trying time for you. Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 745 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 344 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit Amyrlin - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 904 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 733 Views
You have the right to work, not the right to vote in an election as you see fit and keep your job. *NM* heartbreak - 15/12/2012 03:23:13 AM 433 Views
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