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Those who want univeral prohibition/access are equally fringe minorities. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/12/2012 08:18:00 PM
The only thing each "accomplishes" is to lend slight general credence to the others otherwise absurd alarmist fears. Ironically, while each thinks it performs a vital public service in "standing up to" the other, if either of them shut up for five seconds the far more rational majority would quickly and rightly dismiss the other.
At least half the country believes they should be able to keep their guns, and the Constitution protects them. This is the flip side of the abortion debate - the Left will never win no matter what it does. The best that it could hope for is to foment a civil war between the gun-owning populace and those who think that guns should be banned. Guess who would win that?

At least half the country also believes guns should be much more regulated. This is indeed the flip side of the abortion debate, where extreme pro-lifers represent ALL pro-choice people as indiscriminate deliberate baby murderers who support "no fault" abortion on demand right up until labor, and extreme pro-choicers represent ALL pro-lifers as indiscriminate deliberate woman murderers who want 12 year olds to die bearing their rapist fathers deformed non-viable babies. In both cases, as with most issues, each second spent listening to one extremists caricature of their opponent wastes time far better spent on worthwhile, necessary, discussion.

Hence the vast majority ignores both radical fringes in both debates: Because it opposes both as nothing more or less than obstacles to responsible public policy.
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[citation needed] - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 536 Views
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