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he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started moondog Send a noteboard - 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM
he says he fired four shots, what difference does it make whether he was there or not before it started? he had a chance to stop it and did not. the other officer who responded to the request for backup also was unable to stop the shooting. and these are officers trained in the use of guns and deadly force. now that we have a suggestion for more armed officers, where are they going to come from? how long before they are trained well enough to know how to use their guns? and how effective will a lone person be if they find themselves away from the main campus when the shooting starts?

ok, we can start assigning current on-duty police to schools, but it will still take a long time to get enough police trained to guard every single school in the US assuming we do this through the local and state police force. making it a brand new law enforcement position will take even more time and money. the timeline to get this implemented at every single school in the US is laughable if this is supposed to be a serious method of preventing the next massacre. and the cost, whether it comes from state, local or federal, does not matter when we already have examples of gun control legislation which *does* prevent massacres from happening before they start.
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the NRA shows it is an asylum overrun by lunatics - 22/12/2012 04:40:26 PM 1300 Views
I do not see why calling for armed cops at schools is an unreasonable response. - 22/12/2012 04:53:06 PM 825 Views
I can think of two reasons off the top of my head - 22/12/2012 05:38:19 PM 845 Views
OK... - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 829 Views
If someone is shooting at you having a gun to shoot back seems like a good idea - 26/12/2012 06:10:07 PM 663 Views
The effectiveness issue aside - 22/12/2012 06:13:30 PM 718 Views
Re: The effectiveness issue aside - 22/12/2012 06:59:36 PM 807 Views
If you think it would solve the debate then probably - 22/12/2012 07:09:42 PM 762 Views
Nothing will ever truly end the debate, but we can greatly reduce or end its justification. - 22/12/2012 08:03:39 PM 730 Views
If it's shown to work - 23/12/2012 12:25:38 AM 811 Views
columbine had two armed guards on the day of the shooting. they were both immediately fired upon... - 23/12/2012 12:49:30 AM 698 Views
I have never seen any mention of them among the injured or dead (or at all.) - 23/12/2012 01:09:38 AM 853 Views
you should try harder - 23/12/2012 01:15:34 AM 873 Views
"a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket" is not stationed there. - 23/12/2012 01:34:50 AM 807 Views
he still didn't stop the shooting, whether he was there before or after it started - 23/12/2012 01:49:24 AM 819 Views
A fuller account of Gardner - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 915 Views
Nice link. - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 695 Views
Re: Nice link. - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 676 Views
at last count, over 99,000 schools in the US - 23/12/2012 12:45:30 AM 772 Views
What is public safety worth to you? - 23/12/2012 12:54:04 AM 679 Views
it's not entirely a matter of cost, although that factors into it. - 23/12/2012 01:01:50 AM 611 Views
There are many cases where armed cops ended mass shootings. - 23/12/2012 01:28:25 AM 614 Views
there are none where an armed guard placed there *before* the shooting had any effect - 23/12/2012 01:36:42 AM 752 Views
Kind of a Catch-22; if they PREVENT shootings, shootings can only occur in their absence. - 23/12/2012 01:52:03 AM 808 Views
ok, here is my last word on the subject - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 746 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 658 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 777 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 668 Views
[citation needed] - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 657 Views
Fair enough - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 1034 Views
It doesn't have to be a full time gaurd standing looking dangerous. - 26/12/2012 06:12:14 PM 767 Views
People die from all sort of causes - 22/12/2012 07:27:53 PM 743 Views
Cars require training, certification and licensing, too; why should guns not? - 22/12/2012 08:25:43 PM 875 Views
Do bombs require certification? - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 966 Views
i say this with all due respect -- eat a bag of dicks - 23/12/2012 01:04:08 AM 756 Views
That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 714 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 737 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 646 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 688 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 655 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 976 Views
Dicks and stones - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 866 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 600 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 603 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 688 Views

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