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ok, here is my last word on the subject moondog Send a noteboard - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM

Mainly in that you are treating that proposal and the NRAs as mutually exclusive, and that engaging them on the basis of their specious claim gun control=prohibition implicitly legitimizes it. I feel like most people opposing their quite reasonable proposal are doing so solely to have another fight with the NRA (which clearly wants that just as badly) and demonize it as dangerously radical. I mean, c'mon, man putting a cop or two at a school "militarizes" it? Are you going to sit there and tell me that is a MODERATE view? If all law enforcement is so dangerously untrustworthy, who do you suggest enforce gun control laws?


i never said law enforcement is untrustworthy, i am saying that having them stationed in front of schools makes them primary targets in a shooting, and has not been shown to prevent massacres. in the case of the NYPD taking out a gunman in front of the empire state building, 9 people were injured by police gunfire. highly trained shooters cannot rely on a magic bullet only hitting their intended target and nothing else. when those other bystanders are 5 year old children, the risk is far beyond the reward. having people like chris christie and other prominent republicans in office denigrate the NRA's proposal suggests it is not as moderate nor sane as you would try to make it out to be.

at its heart, the NRA is nowadays nothing more than a shill for gun manufacturers. at one point they were about proper gun training and responsibility but they've gone beyond that and only care about making more money for the gun makers and nothing else. in this regard they are the right wing version of PETA and have the same level of lunacy with regards to public outreach and policy. PETA could also suggest something that might make sense, but like the NRA, at the end of the day they are still only concerned with their own self-promotion and no longer stand for the principles which they used to promote quite successfully.
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OK... - 22/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 677 Views
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A fuller account of Gardner - 23/12/2012 10:27:24 AM 760 Views
Nice link. - 23/12/2012 02:27:30 PM 562 Views
Re: Nice link. - 23/12/2012 03:15:24 PM 538 Views
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ok, here is my last word on the subject - 23/12/2012 02:06:49 AM 599 Views
9 people injured vs. 20 people dead. - 23/12/2012 02:34:00 AM 530 Views
it is still "more guns makes us safer" which has yet to prevent a single massacre in this country - 23/12/2012 02:41:56 PM 658 Views
Peter Odighizuwa comes to mind, that's also horrible logic - 23/12/2012 08:27:46 PM 540 Views
[citation needed] - 25/12/2012 04:54:14 PM 536 Views
Fair enough - 25/12/2012 09:06:43 PM 876 Views
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Do bombs require certification? - 22/12/2012 09:21:25 PM 822 Views
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That was pretty damn respectful under the circumstances. - 23/12/2012 01:10:04 AM 576 Views
The lack of intellect displayed here is to be expected - 23/12/2012 04:01:32 AM 586 Views
so according to you we should just make life illegal since everyone is going to die from something.. - 23/12/2012 07:25:05 AM 519 Views
Obviously you didn't put pay attention - 23/12/2012 01:40:17 PM 536 Views
no, you said "fuck it because people die anyway". there is a big difference - 23/12/2012 02:46:46 PM 528 Views
As usual, you are wrong on so many fronts... - 27/12/2012 10:39:04 PM 843 Views
Dicks and stones - 23/12/2012 03:54:25 AM 723 Views
FYI - I gave moondog a 30-day time-out via the ignore function. - 23/12/2012 05:48:13 AM 475 Views
FYI -- you didn't post to this board for 30+ days - 23/12/2012 07:21:44 AM 482 Views
I'm not sure it's about guns. - 23/12/2012 06:08:50 PM 546 Views

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