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You give them too much credit. Wibble Send a noteboard - 11/02/2013 11:19:06 PM
Most of the good that has come about has been an unintended byproduct of actions to increase their own power and deliver their own message. They being the institution in this sense.

And as for World War 2, individuals may have committed great acts, but the institution did not.

But here and now they already have power in Africa for example, and they could use it for some good, but they probably wont, because they are only interested in increasing their hold, and their power.
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So the Pope has resigned Wibble - 11/02/2013 01:01:59 PM 1404 Views
Re: So the Pope has resigned HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 02:29:13 PM 826 Views
As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:05:34 AM 783 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 12/02/2013 09:21:30 PM 721 Views
One mistake in my original post..... Anonymous2000 - 13/02/2013 01:27:48 AM 718 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:35:14 AM 692 Views
Re: As a catholic, I am surprised, but please by the Pope's decision..... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:45:23 PM 775 Views
Luke or Paul? Isaac - 13/02/2013 04:36:27 PM 709 Views
That is what I get for only having decaf coffee this morning... HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 05:43:57 PM 774 Views
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:36:03 PM 619 Views
Re: I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this point. HyogaRott - 14/02/2013 11:12:34 PM 721 Views
Hate to jump you again but are you sure you mean Timothy? Isaac - 14/02/2013 11:54:00 PM 750 Views
Yep, I ment Timothy HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:18:21 AM 725 Views
Re: Yep, I ment Timothy Isaac - 15/02/2013 11:03:16 AM 712 Views
If "the bible is still the bible," then what of Deborah, Huldah and Phoebe, to name but a few? Joel - 13/02/2013 06:17:44 PM 836 Views
Why wouldn't it still be devinely inspired? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:44:07 PM 750 Views
Um, because then God was lying when He inspired someone to write "this is not Gods commandment." Joel - 13/02/2013 07:42:15 PM 721 Views
You're missing a really key point Jeordam - 13/02/2013 09:13:32 PM 781 Views
You are using an epistle to say every word of all epistles is divinely inspired? Joel - 13/02/2013 10:00:36 PM 908 Views
Let us take it full circle: The ecclesiastical authority of women Joel - 13/02/2013 10:21:26 PM 798 Views
Shouldn't you be able to answer this question from what you just wrote? Jeordam - 13/02/2013 11:02:28 PM 783 Views
Oh, certainly; I just felt like I was dragging you with me kicking and screaming. Joel - 14/02/2013 01:05:14 AM 758 Views
So Roman Catholic priests CAN marry, under tortuous conditions? Interesting.... Joel - 13/02/2013 03:40:48 PM 654 Views
A priest can't marry, but a married person can become a priest. HyogaRott - 13/02/2013 03:51:02 PM 684 Views
Heh, yeah, I guess I slightly mischaracterized what you were saying. Joel - 13/02/2013 05:54:05 PM 791 Views
There are a bunch of semi-Catholic denominations that allow priests to marry. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:06:13 PM 699 Views
That makes more sense. Joel - 13/02/2013 06:23:36 PM 771 Views
Here's my chance. I'm putting in my application. Palatine - 11/02/2013 04:20:52 PM 873 Views
Unfortunately it matters due to the power he has... Wibble - 11/02/2013 04:42:25 PM 819 Views
Religions don't work that way. They are full of moral absolutes. There is no flexibility *NM* Dark Knight - 11/02/2013 06:10:19 PM 386 Views
Of course there is flexibility. The minute their money is threatened they flex like mad... *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 06:25:02 PM 380 Views
I'd imagine Unitarians and several other religions would beg to differ Isaac - 11/02/2013 09:28:39 PM 788 Views
Hah, are you kidding? beetnemesis - 13/02/2013 02:20:54 PM 852 Views
You would like the Roman Catholic Church to do some good FOR ONCE?! Joel - 11/02/2013 08:00:26 PM 879 Views
Well said. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/02/2013 10:55:18 PM 416 Views
You give them too much credit. Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:19:06 PM 845 Views
Put on blinders much? HyogaRott - 11/02/2013 11:50:01 PM 789 Views
I lol'd. *NM* Wibble - 11/02/2013 11:54:09 PM 402 Views
Grant me Chastity and Continence, But Not Yet! *NM* Roland00 - 12/02/2013 03:35:26 AM 325 Views
Chastity: A Virtue best found in others *NM* Isaac - 12/02/2013 12:53:26 PM 333 Views
and continence too, apparently..... *NM* moondog - 14/02/2013 12:18:22 AM 400 Views
Well said. Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:43:47 AM 670 Views
You really don't know how human psychology works, do you? Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:28:23 PM 732 Views
..and you don't get that it isn't what people will/may do, but what they should. HyogaRott - 15/02/2013 04:22:26 AM 934 Views
It's not religion, it's HIV or no HIV. Legolas - 15/02/2013 10:45:52 PM 707 Views
it's not HIV or no HIV, it is about what people should do. HyogaRott - 16/02/2013 07:02:36 PM 755 Views
Of course they don't have to teach people how to use condoms. Legolas - 17/02/2013 10:46:38 AM 692 Views
You're showing some glaring bias and hostility here Isaac - 12/02/2013 01:58:17 PM 682 Views
No, you are giving them far too little. Joel - 13/02/2013 03:33:03 PM 693 Views
The catholic church is significantly growing in Africa and with Hispanics. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:41:54 AM 452 Views
Oh, that. Palatine - 12/02/2013 03:04:42 PM 653 Views
That's such a load Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:39:45 AM 748 Views
Oops, I meant to reply here - As a catholic.....my take. Anonymous2000 - 12/02/2013 03:39:42 AM 806 Views
I'd say the chances are about as good... Dragonsoul - 12/02/2013 03:48:29 PM 907 Views
So teh chances are excellent then! Good to know. Wibble - 12/02/2013 04:51:43 PM 738 Views
I doubt there's much of a chance of a real progressive. Stephen - 12/02/2013 06:38:14 PM 719 Views
IDK, two straight non-Italians? Will they put up with a 3rd? Has that even happened since Avignon? Cannoli - 13/02/2013 01:46:28 AM 779 Views
Who says Benedict/Ratzinger is straight? Roland00 - 13/02/2013 04:56:52 AM 683 Views
Don't think so, but the Italians will have to get used to it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:34:24 PM 681 Views
This will be a very interesting time. Dannymac - 13/02/2013 06:27:41 PM 812 Views
He's retiring into a monastery in the Vatican, as I understand it. Legolas - 13/02/2013 06:42:14 PM 804 Views
Now this would be interesting.... Jeordam - 13/02/2013 06:51:40 PM 766 Views
Right now I would settle for making up lost ground... Dannymac - 14/02/2013 05:02:38 AM 681 Views
Pope Bene-victed... Raserei - 19/02/2013 07:56:17 AM 954 Views
Hurrah, Ras. I love a good pun or three. *NM* Palatine - 19/02/2013 01:55:11 PM 304 Views
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