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Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM

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Looks like you are in agreement that what has been tried hasn't worked.

no, i'm just pointing out that you have repeatedly shown enough distrust of government that i am calling you on your endless bullshit.



View original postYes, I distrust government, but I don't disagree that "helping those in need" as being one of its core responsibilities. However, success is determined by how many people actually improve their lives, NOT how much money is spent.

no disagreement here in regards to money spent. the question is, how can we turn away people who need a hand up? it's obvious that charities are not able to handle the load, if you had only read through to the middle of the article you posted, much less the end of it. government assistance worked out pretty well for people like mitt romney, paul ryan, JK Rowling, and oprah among others. you're basically saying that we should have left these people to starve on the streets rather than spend one dime of government assistance to help them not be destitute. in both regards -- how much we spend, and how many are improving -- we are failing miserably, and it has more to do with the super rich getting richer than any other single policy we've enacted over the last 50 years.


View original postCompassion is NOT about spending money, but doing what it takes to make people self-reliant and independent. If you showed me a program that does this, I would agree to paid more in taxes tomorrow.

actually you probably wouldn't but it's ok because i know you're trying to be serious. the vast majority of people who collect government assistance would rather be making a decent living and not have to rely on the government to survive, but for whatever reason they can't. again, it's our duty as a civilized society to make sure they don't die simply because we have a callous attitude about their lack of being born wealthy.


View original postBut our current government programs are pathetic and a waste of money and DC only cares about buying votes and giving handouts. We have tried this for 50 years and it hasn't worked.

actually, it has worked very well, but every year we get told how people who can afford to buy their own private Hawaiian islands somehow need even more money or else they might not be able to fire even more people next year. we can't keep giving more tax handouts to the people who don't need it, it's not a sustainable economic practice. consider that when poverty was at its highest in the 1960s, CEO compensation was roughly 4-10 times higher than the average worker's salary. now it is 400x higher, companies are sitting on a pile of money they don't know what to do with, and rather than hire people to do work, they just stockpile their cash and expect the rest of us to be grateful to have what meager scraps they leave for us.


View original postAs for me, my wife and I donated a little under $10k in 2012 to various charities, mostly local. We are very big supporters of our town's food pantry and EMS squad. And if you really want to get down to it, I can mention my soon-to-be daughter who was abandoned in China when she was one day old. But I don't think we need to go there, right?

i honestly am not overly concerned with your reasoning for adopting specifically a chinese baby when there are so many unwanted children all over the world. i applaud you for deciding to adopt, but by and large it's your decision and i'm not sure it really has any bearing on how people are suffering here, in the US. i've personally given a little over 4% of my income last year to charities, but at the same time i can at least acknowledge that we should be finding ways to prevent people from suffering, and that the government is in the best position to help the most people for the least cost. you can rail all you want about your tax burden and what you perceive is a lack of value, but if we take your view of the world, we will be pushing 75% into poverty and i'm sure you'll still come here to gloat about that when it happens too.

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1158 Views
As has Conservatism. - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 662 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 762 Views
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HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 631 Views
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Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 678 Views
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Well here is where theology gets fun.... - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 737 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 743 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 789 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 781 Views
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you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 697 Views
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since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 768 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 668 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 794 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 926 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 653 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 808 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 615 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 409 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 611 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 818 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 648 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 729 Views
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No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 667 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 323 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 730 Views
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Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 708 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 683 Views
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The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 675 Views
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We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 619 Views
Eh survival of the fittest - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 722 Views
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Funny. - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 683 Views
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good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 702 Views
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congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 359 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 340 Views
Clearly. *NM* - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 305 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 659 Views
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