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Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM

The entire Bible is the Word of God....so whether Jesus specifically said it or not is not relevant. It is interesting to note that Jesus (and the rest of the Bible) is not a big fan of abusing/neglecting children. Yet we as a society are totally cool with it. The Bible is very clear about sexual sins, yet we as a society asked to be unashamed of it. The Bible is very very clear that the only path to God is through Jesus, yet we as a society dare not say that.

And most relevant to this thread, the Bible is very clear that it is the church's job to care for the poor. It is the Christian who is to decide to do that...to love their neighbor as themself...to care for the widow, orphan, or the alien in their land. It is the Christian's job to have compassion on the poor...to feed them, clothe them, and/or visit them in jail. And in caring for that person, to share with them the message of Salvation that is found in Jesus alone.

The government is not equipped (nor is it allowed) to minister (minister as defined as care for the poor's material needs & share with them the message of Salvation) to the poor. And I think herein is the problem...the aspect of forced charity. I have no problem helping those in need, but I resent being forced to do so.

~Jeordam

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1290 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 757 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 884 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 884 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 805 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 746 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 844 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 799 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 821 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 858 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 852 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 904 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 894 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 979 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 893 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 793 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 898 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 873 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 818 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 900 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 797 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 934 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1067 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 772 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 953 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 734 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 486 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 734 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 947 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 757 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 867 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 864 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 797 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 782 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 383 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 853 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 1015 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 848 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 768 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 691 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 688 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 759 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 828 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 825 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 952 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 851 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 938 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 840 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 976 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 886 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 717 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 840 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 795 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 741 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 806 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 761 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 679 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 700 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 734 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 782 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 724 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 758 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 880 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 787 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 816 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 793 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 797 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 811 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 797 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 805 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 926 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 430 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 401 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 369 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 761 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 400 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 370 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 891 Views
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