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Re: Funny. Nighthawk Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM

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View original postPeople can live comfortably if they live frugally.

I am not handicapped, stupid, lazy or any number of other very human things that you are ignoring. I worked my ASS off for years and still could rarely afford any amenities. Hell, I frequently had to choose between food and paying bills. I know what it is to live frugally and survive, but not be able to afford things most americans take for granted -- that was without any of the problems you so quickly dismiss. What if any ONE of them had happened to me? Do you really think it's that simple?

You chose the wrong profession if you wanted to make money. It was something to do with landscaping right? You probably chose it because you love it. But if not struggling and not being poor was your goal, you would have chosen a better profession. You are very smart and very pretty, a very good combination to have. I know you could easily make money if that's what you wanted!


I know there are people who simply don't have the brain power to amount to anything, but should they just give up? Are you telling me there's not one stupid person making a comfortable living that doesn't require being smart?

Why do you think I'm suggesting they "give up?" I'm saying that it's sheer blindness to assume that they may not need help, or that they aren't trying. You have NO idea how much effort people are putting in, unless you think only people with money are trying. That's blind and horrible - there are millions of people who live in the gray area between lazy-giver-uppers and comfortably-not-poor.

Why do they need help? People need to learn how to sink or swim. I had to.


As far as disabilities go, their families will have to take care of them. Seeing how they will never have a normal life, they are irrelevant to this discussion.

... I don't think you're trolling? This comment is ridiculous, and I don't understand how you can think it's so easily dismissed. Where does that money come from? You think people can work a full-time job while being full-time caregivers? Maybe several jobs? This is exactly what you can't so conveniently ignore.

My point was that their family needs to work hard in able to support them. And yes, people can work and be caregivers. I've seen it. Nobody ever said it was easy, but it's possible.


I'm talking about the poor who aren't handicapped (other than being dumb). I grew up dirt poor thanks to horrible parents, so I know what I'm talking about here.

I was fairly dirt poor too (steel mill family), and I'm proud of me for making it. Hell, I'm proud of you too, if you did it. However, this does not on any level mean that everyone else can do what we did. It's rude and abusively myopic to assume such a thing.

Yes, anybody can do it! That's the point! But when know they have a safety net, they don't try so hard.


None of this says I think people shouldn't be pushed, or that we shouldn't have expectations like what we had for ourselves. It's more that you cannot assume that just because someone is struggling (or failing) that he/she isn't trying. And trying. And trying.

Do, or do not, there is no try

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1196 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 698 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 803 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 809 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 725 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 662 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 749 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 708 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 728 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 770 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 771 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 822 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 817 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 889 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 805 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 724 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 794 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 774 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 727 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 800 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 700 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 825 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 973 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 687 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 851 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 645 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 434 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 644 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 866 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 685 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 779 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 763 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 718 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 704 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 337 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 769 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 917 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 770 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 678 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 622 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 613 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 683 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 735 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 744 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 881 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 752 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 863 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 743 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 875 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 783 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 631 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 751 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 708 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 673 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 726 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 682 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 598 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 614 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 650 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 673 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 650 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 673 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 766 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 700 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 724 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 719 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 733 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 735 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 717 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 731 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 831 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 378 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 357 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 322 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 692 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 356 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 337 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 810 Views
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