Active Users:384 Time:17/06/2025 12:03:20 AM
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM

But let's keep in mind, that it is your opinion. Your view of what you think society should be. There are others which have a different opinion (as evidenced in other threads in this post). Is it right to force your opinion on others who don't believe what you believe?

It is interesting that you would bring up the indivdiuals who self-medicate or make a choice that puts them in jail. Right there, you are making the assumption that we, as a society, are responsible for their behaviors....this comes back around to "saving" someone from themselves.

I'm just asking the following questions in a rhetorical way, not that I believe they are valid....

Why should I spend money on an individual who will make the decision to get strung out on drugs? Why would I spend money on an individual who makes the decision to break the law and get put in jail? These are extreme questions, but they are certainly the mindset of many (even if they are unspoken). Questions will inevitably come around to "Why should I spend money on people who can't be responsible with the little they have?"

Interestingly enough, we aren't a Christian Nation in thought, but certainly not in deed. Maybe we started out that way, but we're not anymore. This is evidenced that as a society, we aren't ashamed of sin...and in fact are fully willing to support a person in their sin. But that's a theological issue....

It is interesting that you feel that those who are born wealthy (however that wealth got there) have a duty to "pay it forward". How would you feel with someone forcing you to give your family's money to <insert poor person's name here>, who dropped out of school, has a pack of smokes a day habit, and chronic health issues due to being over-weight? This is the picture that many look at. Is that the norm? No. But that doesn't change the perception. What many rich people see is their money being given to those who are doing the daytime TV talkshow circuit on "Who's your baby daddy."

So then let me ask you a question directly. Why do you think that everyone should have an equal opportunity to succeed? I'm asking this honestly, because I want to know.

So here's just one thought from me. I'm essentially a stranger to you. If I disappeared one day, it may be remarked, it may not. But either way, I say this not to argue with you, but just to point something out for you to self-examine. Just like many on the other side make the assumption that the poor are lazy (and that's why they are where they are), you are likewise making the assumption that the million/billionaires are making the money "off the backs" of us poor cubical/manufacturing line/drones. Or that they don't want to let a penny slip out of their hands. When you phrase it like that, you do yourself a disservice.

~Jeordam

ex-Admin at wotmania (all things wot & art galleries)
Saving the Princess, Humanity, or the World-Entire since 1985
Reply to message
Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1174 Views
As has Conservatism. - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 676 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 777 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 698 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 642 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 703 Views
Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 686 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 704 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 750 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 753 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 800 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 797 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 873 Views
Hmm good questions - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 781 Views
you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 708 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 772 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 752 Views
I see the problem - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 704 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 781 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 677 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 803 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 946 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 663 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 827 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 624 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 420 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 625 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 839 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 660 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 743 Views
I'm glad you agree! - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 702 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 681 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 328 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 747 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 894 Views
*nod* - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 752 Views
Re: *nod* - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 657 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 598 Views
Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 588 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 663 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 708 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 717 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 861 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 734 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 841 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 715 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 854 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 758 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 603 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 724 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 691 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 649 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 708 Views
Hey, guess what? - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 662 Views
Awesome. - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 579 Views
Oh my gosh! - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 593 Views
Yes! - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 632 Views
Yay! - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 652 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 633 Views
Eh survival of the fittest - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 736 Views
Excuse me? - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 677 Views
Cry me a river - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 700 Views
Funny. - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 698 Views
Re: Funny. - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 704 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 714 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 701 Views
Wow. - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 705 Views
Re: Wow. - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 815 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 367 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 348 Views
Clearly. *NM* - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 314 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 673 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 347 Views
I'm back *NM* - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 326 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 782 Views

Reply to Message