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It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM

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View original posthave you tried one of those wire kitchen/baker racks? i use a 5-shelf one for my house plants and the cats mostly ignore the ones they can't reach


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View original postGood idea! I have one that we aren't using right now, cluttering up my closet under the stairs. It would be easy enough to rig up lighting for each shelf. . Now to find the right lighting...


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View original postLEDS! Unless you want some heating effect too, they're still a touch pricey but you can get ones that give off virtually nothing but the frequencies for photosynthesis, so lower electric bill (unless you need a higher temp anyway) and you can probably even ratchet up the luminosity to take advantage of the higher CO2 concentrations in your house.


View original postI have looked only a little bit, but I have only found the CFL ones. I already use LED bulbs in my house, and a, slowly replacing my CFL with LED.

Yeah, got a good deal on a few a couple years ago and I've been switching over slowly too.


View original postI don't need to worry about electric bill because I don't have one. It's battery amp hours I need to think about. Now to find the LED grow bulbs. Do you know what they're called if I don't type the proper terminology for the search?

LED Grow Bulbs, LED Grow Lamps, googles them up. They tend to come from different manufacturers then the guys who focus on house lighting and sell more indoor/greenhouse and hydroponic gardening accessories, it's still a bit niche even by LED light standards, less plug and play more think and customize. Small niche but big enthusiastic smart crowd so there's a lot of blogs and youtube videos discussing the pros and cons you can review before picking a supplier and lamp.


View original postLED grow bulbs!

Yeah, my view too, probably still premature for most applications, still a bit of pricey toy for garden enthusiasts, pot growers, and NASA. I actually stuck that on my mental pro/con list for marijuana legalization, legalize it and it might hurt the LED grow lamp market in developing economy of scale

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1223 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 722 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 837 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 830 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 748 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 689 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 797 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 743 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 754 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 797 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 803 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 852 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 848 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 922 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 838 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 745 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 827 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 803 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 750 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 843 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 730 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 856 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1015 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 722 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 890 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 675 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 448 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 671 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 892 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 712 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 804 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 796 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 745 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 729 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 355 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 797 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 951 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 793 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 709 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 643 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 636 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 708 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 771 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 779 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 908 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 787 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 898 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 778 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 922 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 827 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 661 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 774 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 746 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 703 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 757 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 714 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 627 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 655 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 685 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 718 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 674 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 703 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 814 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 730 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 753 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 749 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 757 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 765 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 741 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 758 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 860 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 388 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 376 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 337 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 713 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 368 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 350 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 834 Views
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