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It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM

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View original posthave you tried one of those wire kitchen/baker racks? i use a 5-shelf one for my house plants and the cats mostly ignore the ones they can't reach


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View original postGood idea! I have one that we aren't using right now, cluttering up my closet under the stairs. It would be easy enough to rig up lighting for each shelf. . Now to find the right lighting...


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View original postLEDS! Unless you want some heating effect too, they're still a touch pricey but you can get ones that give off virtually nothing but the frequencies for photosynthesis, so lower electric bill (unless you need a higher temp anyway) and you can probably even ratchet up the luminosity to take advantage of the higher CO2 concentrations in your house.


View original postI have looked only a little bit, but I have only found the CFL ones. I already use LED bulbs in my house, and a, slowly replacing my CFL with LED.

Yeah, got a good deal on a few a couple years ago and I've been switching over slowly too.


View original postI don't need to worry about electric bill because I don't have one. It's battery amp hours I need to think about. Now to find the LED grow bulbs. Do you know what they're called if I don't type the proper terminology for the search?

LED Grow Bulbs, LED Grow Lamps, googles them up. They tend to come from different manufacturers then the guys who focus on house lighting and sell more indoor/greenhouse and hydroponic gardening accessories, it's still a bit niche even by LED light standards, less plug and play more think and customize. Small niche but big enthusiastic smart crowd so there's a lot of blogs and youtube videos discussing the pros and cons you can review before picking a supplier and lamp.


View original postLED grow bulbs!

Yeah, my view too, probably still premature for most applications, still a bit of pricey toy for garden enthusiasts, pot growers, and NASA. I actually stuck that on my mental pro/con list for marijuana legalization, legalize it and it might hurt the LED grow lamp market in developing economy of scale

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1174 Views
As has Conservatism. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 676 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 777 Views
That's a flawed analogy these days, since conservative policies are anti-education spending. Burr - 04/04/2013 01:24:22 AM 776 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? Dannymac - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 698 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 642 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" moondog - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 703 Views
Interestingly enough.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 686 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... nossy - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 704 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 750 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: Jeordam - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 753 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... moondog - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 800 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... Jeordam - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 796 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... moondog - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 873 Views
Hmm good questions Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 781 Views
you contradicted yourself moondog - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 708 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 772 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... moondog - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 752 Views
I see the problem random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 704 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? moondog - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 781 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 677 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... moondog - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 803 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 946 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 663 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. heartbreak - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 827 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 624 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* heartbreak - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 420 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 625 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" heartbreak - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 839 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. Dannymac - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 660 Views
Variaitons of this plan have been tried elsewhere with lesser or negligible resistance Isaac - 04/04/2013 03:31:22 PM 756 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move Roland00 - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 743 Views
I'm glad you agree! Anonymous2000 - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 702 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful Sports_Gambler - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 681 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* Isaac - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 328 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 747 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms Isaac - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 894 Views
*nod* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 752 Views
Re: *nod* Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 657 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? Avendesora - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 598 Views
Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 588 Views
Re: Initial stuff moondog - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 663 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 708 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 717 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! Avendesora - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 861 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 734 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 841 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 715 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 854 Views
Re: Initial stuff Avendesora - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 758 Views
Re: Initial stuff Isaac - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 603 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. jh - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 724 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves random thoughts - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 691 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. jh - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 649 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. Legolas - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 708 Views
Hey, guess what? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 662 Views
Awesome. Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 579 Views
Oh my gosh! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 593 Views
Yes! Legolas - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 632 Views
Yay! nossy - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 652 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. Legolas - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 633 Views
You need to vist Dallas or LA and tell me what qualifes for a large immigrant population random thoughts - 05/04/2013 03:23:13 AM 652 Views
Eh survival of the fittest Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 736 Views
Excuse me? nossy - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 677 Views
Cry me a river Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 700 Views
Funny. nossy - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 698 Views
Re: Funny. Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 704 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit moondog - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 714 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit Nighthawk - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 701 Views
Wow. nossy - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 705 Views
Re: Wow. Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 815 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* moondog - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 367 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 348 Views
Clearly. *NM* nossy - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 314 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" Nighthawk - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 673 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* Avendesora - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 347 Views
I'm back *NM* Nighthawk - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 326 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 782 Views
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