Active Users:755 Time:04/02/2026 10:06:47 AM
You're over-generalizing a bit Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM

View original postI forgot that nobody believes in personal responsibility anymore.

Personal responsibility is something we need more of and we need to impress upon everyone how vital that is to improving the human condition, every bit as important as a full stomach and more so. But we also can't be blind to real hurdles in opportunity presented by things like generational poverty. It's not a blank check to set low goals or forgive crimes and I'm not suggesting we should dump more money into the various mostly feel-good urban renewal projects and similar but there's a difference between not accepting any of the current proposed solutions as morally valid and financially efficient and just writing the whole problem off like it doesn't exist.

As a general note, I don't know if you're dead serious or engaging in a bit of hyperbole but whichever the case sounding like the antagonist from a Dickens novel ain't exactly helping the anti-welfare-state brand name. The general goal of that cause is to convince people that the welfare state reinforces generational poverty and feelings of depression and being trapped, not to say we have no responsibility to the poor. In fact it doesn't matter if we have that responsibility or not, as the philosophy revolves around the notion that enhancing feelings of self-determination, the control of ones own fate, represents a profitable investment; lowering crime and law enforcement cost and raising the tax base and pool of innovators and makers. Personally I think there's a moral imperative in there too, but that's merely an added personal incentive.

So again, big difference between noting a slum is a gigantic soul-crushing pit that imports money and exports crime and despair, and just shrugging it off with a fuck 'em attitude.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Reply to message
Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1309 Views
As has Conservatism. - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 769 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 891 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 819 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 758 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 849 Views
Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 813 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 831 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 869 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 857 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 910 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 902 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 991 Views
Hmm good questions - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 907 Views
you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 800 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 911 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 882 Views
I see the problem - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 832 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 911 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 806 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 945 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1080 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 785 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 964 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 740 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 488 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 737 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 963 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 772 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 869 Views
I'm glad you agree! - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 811 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 788 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 390 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 863 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 1024 Views
*nod* - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 856 Views
Re: *nod* - 05/04/2013 03:12:17 PM 778 Views
Off topic: are you gardening yet? - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 702 Views
Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 701 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 07:10:57 PM 775 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 08:19:16 PM 834 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 11:21:56 PM 833 Views
I didn't know they make LED grow lights! - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 959 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 860 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 951 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 07:56:47 PM 853 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 06/04/2013 12:36:10 AM 981 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 06/04/2013 02:01:59 AM 897 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 06/04/2013 03:19:39 AM 741 Views
Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 850 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 803 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 756 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 817 Views
Hey, guess what? - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 773 Views
Awesome. - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 692 Views
Oh my gosh! - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 709 Views
Yes! - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 743 Views
Yay! - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 795 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 736 Views
Eh survival of the fittest - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 890 Views
Excuse me? - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 793 Views
Cry me a river - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 827 Views
Funny. - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 804 Views
Re: Funny. - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 814 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 822 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 815 Views
Wow. - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 812 Views
Re: Wow. - 05/04/2013 12:18:08 AM 936 Views
congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 437 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 404 Views
Clearly. *NM* - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 371 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 773 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 401 Views
I'm back *NM* - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 372 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 903 Views

Reply to Message