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Re: And that's all I'm saying Isaac Send a noteboard - 01/10/2009 03:10:02 AM
That I still want the government involved in my health care.


Well, that pretty much ends the debate, I have no issue with your wanting government involved in healthcare, only with the possible degree, it isn't like it isn't already involved. For that matter, even the staunchest laize faire capitalist wants the government involved with laws involving medical practice like "Surgeon can not come in drunk to operating room" or "To get licensed, doctors must agree to certain practice, such as agreeing not to prescribe cyanide even though doctor in question is convinced of its healing qualities"

Its not really an all or nothing debate, and both sides are flinging around a lot of analogies and logic that are really cruddy. The one big difference is that those seeking to change the current system have the burden of proof on them, not those seeking to keep things the same. The old system does not have to prove itself superior, the new one does, because once it is in place it will be so permenantly.

... and while of course many of its opponents do basically have their fingers in their ears, many of us are listening, and I for one have not been convinced of a realistic probability that doing this will meet the standard I personally have for any government intervention, that it will raise the overall standard of living and or duration of life. Were someone able to show me solid evidence of that, I'd sign on in a heartbeat.
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Senate Finance Committee Votes Against Government-Run Health Insurance Plan - 29/09/2009 09:08:40 PM 856 Views
I just hope this doesn't squash all health-care reform attempts - 29/09/2009 09:12:15 PM 575 Views
It definitely needs work, but not scrapped..... - 29/09/2009 09:16:32 PM 579 Views
Polls are horrid evidence in my mind - 29/09/2009 09:32:58 PM 577 Views
Re: Polls are horrid evidence in my mind - 29/09/2009 10:12:26 PM 750 Views
From a government employee: Nice post *NM* - 29/09/2009 10:17:48 PM 245 Views
Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said - 29/09/2009 10:29:13 PM 519 Views
Re: Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said - 29/09/2009 11:21:21 PM 631 Views
the difference is the focus of the organizations - 29/09/2009 11:44:56 PM 615 Views
Re: the difference is the focus of the organizations - 30/09/2009 12:40:38 AM 640 Views
Difference is that the law is subject to more checks and balances than the whims of a CEO - 29/09/2009 11:44:58 PM 629 Views
Re: Difference is that the law is subject to more checks and balances than the whims of a CEO - 30/09/2009 12:28:36 AM 613 Views
that the private sector has a long history of abusing both customer and employee *NM* - 30/09/2009 03:46:03 AM 237 Views
That's indisbutable - 30/09/2009 05:55:45 PM 599 Views
And that's all I'm saying - 30/09/2009 07:08:04 PM 553 Views
Re: And that's all I'm saying - 01/10/2009 03:10:02 AM 599 Views
It doesn't work at all - 30/09/2009 04:27:44 AM 632 Views
i have yet to see any evidence of malpractice insurance being a driving cost of health care - 30/09/2009 05:27:34 AM 646 Views
it's not THAT they pay malpractice - 30/09/2009 02:00:04 PM 501 Views
but doctors are *required* to buy malpractice insurance - 30/09/2009 04:13:08 PM 569 Views
that's completely moot to the situation malpractice insurance causes. - 30/09/2009 04:21:42 PM 520 Views
hooray, we're going to continue in mediocrity when it comes to our health - 29/09/2009 10:15:00 PM 630 Views
Yes, it's comforting to see that we are only rated 37th... - 29/09/2009 11:14:33 PM 548 Views
That is a decade old and horribly discredited citation - 29/09/2009 11:46:51 PM 720 Views
regardless, we still spend a lot more on health care while having too many uncovered people - 29/09/2009 11:56:24 PM 541 Views
My objection, in this context, is strictly about references - 30/09/2009 12:13:40 AM 551 Views
i understand your point about the reference - 30/09/2009 12:54:25 AM 598 Views
Re: i understand your point about the reference - 30/09/2009 01:15:30 AM 658 Views
Re: i understand your point about the reference - 30/09/2009 12:24:45 PM 639 Views
Re: i understand your point about the reference - 30/09/2009 06:29:09 PM 648 Views
Re: i understand your point about the reference - 30/09/2009 10:57:36 PM 613 Views
Interesting... - 01/10/2009 12:09:35 AM 536 Views
So basically you are saying? - 01/10/2009 01:10:22 AM 500 Views
Basically... - 01/10/2009 02:52:51 AM 516 Views
Hooray! The government isn't going to get directly involved and make HC even worse! *NM* - 30/09/2009 01:03:50 AM 237 Views
yes, heaven forbid we take care of our own *NM* - 30/09/2009 04:13:50 PM 234 Views
looks l;ike they found some bipartisan spirit after all - 29/09/2009 10:35:55 PM 555 Views
Definitely wouldn't want to "denigrate" Health Care... - 30/09/2009 02:46:19 PM 519 Views

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