That I still want the government involved in my health care.
Well, that pretty much ends the debate, I have no issue with your wanting government involved in healthcare, only with the possible degree, it isn't like it isn't already involved. For that matter, even the staunchest laize faire capitalist wants the government involved with laws involving medical practice like "Surgeon can not come in drunk to operating room" or "To get licensed, doctors must agree to certain practice, such as agreeing not to prescribe cyanide even though doctor in question is convinced of its healing qualities"
Its not really an all or nothing debate, and both sides are flinging around a lot of analogies and logic that are really cruddy. The one big difference is that those seeking to change the current system have the burden of proof on them, not those seeking to keep things the same. The old system does not have to prove itself superior, the new one does, because once it is in place it will be so permenantly.
... and while of course many of its opponents do basically have their fingers in their ears, many of us are listening, and I for one have not been convinced of a realistic probability that doing this will meet the standard I personally have for any government intervention, that it will raise the overall standard of living and or duration of life. Were someone able to show me solid evidence of that, I'd sign on in a heartbeat.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
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- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Senate Finance Committee Votes Against Government-Run Health Insurance Plan
29/09/2009 09:08:40 PM
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I just hope this doesn't squash all health-care reform attempts
29/09/2009 09:12:15 PM
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It definitely needs work, but not scrapped.....
29/09/2009 09:16:32 PM
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Opinion polls with health care have huge swings depending on how it's phrased
29/09/2009 09:28:28 PM
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Polls are horrid evidence in my mind
29/09/2009 09:32:58 PM
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Re: Polls are horrid evidence in my mind
29/09/2009 10:12:26 PM
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Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said
29/09/2009 10:29:13 PM
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Re: Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said
29/09/2009 11:21:21 PM
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Re: Not that I totally disagree with you, but that being said
29/09/2009 11:40:42 PM
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his statements on health care are precisely my point, but much more well stated. *NM*
29/09/2009 11:54:29 PM
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Difference is that the law is subject to more checks and balances than the whims of a CEO
29/09/2009 11:44:58 PM
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Re: Difference is that the law is subject to more checks and balances than the whims of a CEO
30/09/2009 12:28:36 AM
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that the private sector has a long history of abusing both customer and employee *NM*
30/09/2009 03:46:03 AM
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That's indisbutable
30/09/2009 05:55:45 PM
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And that's all I'm saying
30/09/2009 07:08:04 PM
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Re: And that's all I'm saying
01/10/2009 03:10:02 AM
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It doesn't work at all
30/09/2009 04:27:44 AM
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i have yet to see any evidence of malpractice insurance being a driving cost of health care
30/09/2009 05:27:34 AM
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When the malpractice insurance can cost well over $100k a year of course it effects the costs.
30/09/2009 06:21:29 AM
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it's not THAT they pay malpractice
30/09/2009 02:00:04 PM
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but doctors are *required* to buy malpractice insurance
30/09/2009 04:13:08 PM
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that's completely moot to the situation malpractice insurance causes.
30/09/2009 04:21:42 PM
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hooray, we're going to continue in mediocrity when it comes to our health
29/09/2009 10:15:00 PM
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That is a decade old and horribly discredited citation
29/09/2009 11:46:51 PM
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regardless, we still spend a lot more on health care while having too many uncovered people
29/09/2009 11:56:24 PM
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My objection, in this context, is strictly about references
30/09/2009 12:13:40 AM
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i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 12:54:25 AM
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Re: i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 01:15:30 AM
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Re: i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 12:24:45 PM
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Re: i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 06:29:09 PM
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Re: i understand your point about the reference
30/09/2009 10:57:36 PM
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Interesting...
01/10/2009 12:09:35 AM
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Hooray! The government isn't going to get directly involved and make HC even worse! *NM*
30/09/2009 01:03:50 AM
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