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I will stipulate to everything you just said, but disagree with your conclusion. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 13/07/2013 12:58:10 AM

The burden of proof is not on Zimmerman, it is on the state. Zimmerman does not have to prove who started the fight. If the prosecution can not prove that he started the fight, then he has performed no criminal act. Massively stupid, yes; criminal, no.

Zimmerman following Martin was legal, even IF it scared Martin. I can follow you all day long, and you have no real (though several practical)legal recourse to stop me. If I do it habitually over several days you do. Zimmerman was stupid to follow Martin, but legally allowed to do so.

The state failed to prove (or even effectively insinuate) that Zimmerman initiated the physical altercation with Martin. Physical trauma (none to Martin, except on his hands, facial trauma, broken nose, lacerations to the back of his head) indicates that Martin was the aggressor (he inflicted but did not receive damage). If Martin was the aggressor, then Zimmerman was defending himself. The only argument you can make at that point is that Zimmerman shouldn't have ben in fear for his life (thus allowed to use lethal force). If you want to try that argument, I suggest you find someone to break your nose and bounce your head on concrete, I believe your opinion will change.

1 final point. Reverse the outcome. Imagine all the physical evidence the same, but Martin is alive and Zimmerman dead. His story is that some guy was following him, wouldn't talk to him, suddenly he was attacked (Mr Martin, where are your injuries? Here on my knuckles, he never managed to lay a hand on me. How could he attack you if he never laid a hand on you?) and had to kill his attacker. You think THAT would stand up in court?

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Looks like Zimmerman is going to be acquitted..... - 09/07/2013 08:54:18 PM 1185 Views
I've figured this since the first week of testamony - 09/07/2013 09:06:59 PM 826 Views
I'm not sure someone being punished excessively is a good reason to mimic it - 09/07/2013 10:26:51 PM 591 Views
Excellent response, you covered everything I would have wanted to. *NM* - 10/07/2013 06:48:15 PM 290 Views
Thanks *NM* - 11/07/2013 01:35:15 AM 239 Views
Nutty reply by you as usual.....but..... - 09/07/2013 10:36:45 PM 660 Views
coming from your side of the aisle, I take that as a compliment. :-) - 11/07/2013 12:18:07 AM 799 Views
All right, let's talk about Yoda, this so-called 'wise' Jedi Grandmaster - 11/07/2013 01:34:57 AM 545 Views
Yep that Yoda. - 11/07/2013 02:26:03 AM 697 Views
It is a time-honoured US criminal justice tradition after all - 10/07/2013 10:06:35 PM 515 Views
The prosecution has been terrible in this case. It reminds me of the OJ prosecution. - 10/07/2013 10:58:50 PM 531 Views
When one person is on top of another beating him up..... - 11/07/2013 04:22:02 AM 591 Views
As a person who has been trying not to follow the case - 11/07/2013 04:07:01 PM 595 Views
Yeah, but you are forgetting something rather important - 11/07/2013 06:41:54 PM 617 Views
I am sorry but that is not quite true - 11/07/2013 07:10:19 PM 621 Views
Go review the timeline it is available online. *NM* - 11/07/2013 07:22:43 PM 231 Views
I am having a hard time believing that you can justifiably kill in a fight you started and lost - 11/07/2013 09:51:00 PM 502 Views
It is a tough legal argument but it can occur. - 12/07/2013 01:24:11 AM 528 Views
Home defense is an entirely separate situation than an aggressor losing a fight - 12/07/2013 10:13:42 PM 580 Views
It really isn't too hard to find, if you bother to look. - 12/07/2013 11:41:35 PM 1030 Views
I understand the theory, and military court is not quite the same as common law, yes? - 12/07/2013 11:52:54 PM 583 Views
MIlitary courts are also based on common law, just shifted for military realities - 12/07/2013 11:59:24 PM 597 Views
Re: MIlitary courts are also based on common law, just shifted for military realities - 13/07/2013 12:21:06 AM 602 Views
I will stipulate to everything you just said, but disagree with your conclusion. - 13/07/2013 12:58:10 AM 581 Views
There is no call for self-defense for a fight you initiated yourself - 11/07/2013 06:34:46 PM 601 Views
Once again, following someone doesn't justify assault. - 11/07/2013 07:34:09 PM 492 Views
Thank god the perpetrator got shot - 11/07/2013 07:48:12 PM 544 Views
And once again, when did Zimmerman identify himself as the neighbourhood watchman? - 11/07/2013 08:59:28 PM 582 Views
He was under no legal obligation to do so. - 12/07/2013 01:39:45 AM 554 Views
He was also under no legal obligation to follow Martin, despite being neighbourhood watchman - 12/07/2013 05:15:00 PM 703 Views
Except that there is exactly zero evidence to support your scenario. - 12/07/2013 06:00:05 PM 615 Views
If you don't care one way or the other, why are you arguing so strongly for acquittal? - 12/07/2013 10:06:00 PM 537 Views
You covered several areas... - 12/07/2013 11:28:18 PM 561 Views
A couple of points... - 13/07/2013 12:15:47 AM 611 Views
I have to disagree about the manslaughter - 13/07/2013 12:45:32 AM 494 Views

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