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I think most of us track costs just as a self-justification though Isaac Send a noteboard - 29/07/2013 08:43:09 PM

View original postAnd while I'm not snobby about it for other people, I am for myself. I do try to assess the relative merits of the individual things I buy, so I know how much time/money/commitment that takes.

I don't keep a garden, cook from scratch, can excess produce, etc to save money. I do remind myself that it does save money but I'm well aware there are other activities I could be doing that would net me considerably more money for the same times as whatever I save. It's just self-justification and rationalization, same as my mother quilting or knitting for 'blankets for babies' and so on, its an excuse for a hobby, but spending 20 hours to make a blanket that a machine could spew out for $10 isn't an effective use of time and neither is me breaking out the manual pasta-maker. Its a hobby, like mechanics is a hobby that can be genuinely useful and beneficial, like hunting or fishing, but are motives are typically much the same as someone playing X-box.


View original postBut what are we really saying here? That non-McDonald food is prohibitively less convenient and more expensive? Because honestly, if one has ANY seed money at all, buying rice, pasta or fillers, the occasional sauce, etc can get a person pretty far. If one has stocked up on a few things, one could probably feed multiple people for $1/person, even if one is occasionally splurging on some organic veggies or free-range chicken.

I think the concept is that a lot of times even if you earn minimum wage you could eat fast food and go work some more and come up ahead on cash. Particularly since a lot of fast food joint sell the burgers at or even below cost and make their money on fries and soda. It's a crap example though. It still takes time to go to a burger joint and wait in line or drive thru, typically more than assembling a PBJ or cold cut sandwich and tossing it the lunch pail. Unless one is either very half assed or very elaborate at such things, or the food joint travel time and wait is virtually nil, I have difficulty imagining pulling two slices of bread out, slapping on the ingredients, and sticking it in the travel rig up, even including time shopping and doing the dishes, would equal out. On the other hand, I am pretty sure the actual cost of having a kitchen in one's house, keeping it heated, keeping the fridge cold, etc all cost more in total for a single person then eating fast food with an eye for Calories per $$$ does.


View original postI guess I'm saying that I understand that some people have difficulties with time/money, but I also find it hard to believe this is as hard as the article makes it seem - I was raised in a single-economy household, and I have three siblings. My mother somehow fed all of us home-cooked meals, even if the veg wasn't the best of the best. I can't see how that's not better than McDonald's, and I'm pretty sure most of us exist in the middle ground between non-stop McD's and fully organic.

Agreed. I don't shoot my own cows or grow and grind my own flour and I could do the latter I'm sure, it holds no interest for me and I really doubt I could do it economically.

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The greatest food in human history? - 28/07/2013 05:13:31 PM 1354 Views
That would've been a rather more useful article... - 28/07/2013 06:31:01 PM 734 Views
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He sounds like a nut. *NM* - 28/07/2013 08:29:29 PM 518 Views
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They are nuts too. - 29/07/2013 03:30:46 PM 777 Views
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I think most of us track costs just as a self-justification though - 29/07/2013 08:43:09 PM 829 Views
Mm, somewhat. - 29/07/2013 10:38:22 PM 809 Views
Re: Mm, somewhat. - 29/07/2013 11:34:00 PM 768 Views
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well I don't do the shopping just the eating - 30/07/2013 08:49:51 PM 676 Views
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