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I'm baffled you find it bizarre honestly Isaac Send a noteboard - 12/08/2013 04:14:01 PM

View original postHow can so many conservatives (or pretty much all of them since they are so partisan it is ridiculous, though the liberals are too) be both pro-life and pro-gun. This just baffles me. The best I can come up with is that they have decided it is not okay to knowingly kill someone who hasn't had a chance at life, but when you accidentally kill someone who has established a life (whether good or bad) then it isn't really a big deal. I mean, is this right, or am I just missing something?

You're missing something here, all of this operates on a principle that says that you do not take life without a good cause, that you harm nothing, especially a person, without cause. You do not destroy without purpose, and where a person is concerned we require that purpose to be especially valid. Even when killing a non-sentient tree we expect some justification, however minimal.

Pro-gun is not pro-death, to the contrary, it simply recognizes that a person has a right to protect their own life from threat. You do not have a right to kill someone on accident, but we hold that murder can not be committed by accident.

It definitely does not mean an accidental killing is 'No big deal', you are, sorry to offend, a fool to say so. It is a very big deal, so is a hurricane that sweeps through a state killing people, but a hurricane is not a murderer and there's no means or reason to punish it. If I hit a bump on the road, swerve and hit someone I've killed them, and it is a big deal, but I am not a murderer, punishment serves no purpose and is not morally justified. Same, if I am convinced my life is in danger I must take action to protect it. After the fact other will wish to know why and to ask if my impression of peril was legitimate and reasonable, and my actions in accordance with that legitimate and reasonable. If the answer to both was yes, then the matter is concluded, it doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal. If a mugger attacks me and I flee, breaking through the door into someone's home for shelter and a phone, and in doing so expose an act of adultery that is a big deal and that person will come to harm in a divorce which was because of my actions but not because I was acting unreasonably or with intent to harm them.


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I don't understand many things about Conservatives but one thing baffles me more than most. - 12/08/2013 05:39:06 AM 1557 Views
You are missing something. - 12/08/2013 06:01:27 AM 937 Views
Because guns would never be misused if we all had one. - 12/08/2013 06:02:25 AM 887 Views
I think you're confusing "pro life" with "anti killing." - 12/08/2013 07:34:14 AM 1181 Views
*dingdingding*. We have a winner! in addition... - 12/08/2013 12:11:06 PM 970 Views
Eseentially my position - 12/08/2013 12:26:19 PM 868 Views
I know right? - 12/08/2013 08:16:32 AM 1047 Views
Conversely, how can liberals be pro-abortion but anti-death penalty? - 12/08/2013 12:28:24 PM 1040 Views
In my case, because of the areas certainty exists and those where it is impossible. - 13/08/2013 04:14:15 AM 1058 Views
Well. You know where you stand. *NM* - 13/08/2013 01:50:02 PM 492 Views
At any given moment, at least. - 13/08/2013 07:01:44 PM 882 Views
*NM* - 19/08/2013 04:12:14 PM 391 Views

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