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Do you have a source where source where LBJ actually said that? *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 29/05/2014 01:17:44 PM

View original post"When the mid-20th-century white homeowner claimed that the presence of a Bill and Daisy Myers decreased his property value, he was not merely engaging in racist dogma—he was accurately observing the impact of federal policy on market prices."


View original postBecause that's the inevitable reality of government involvement in the market. Absent government interference, there would not have been an artificial suburban housing boom to be steered. But any sort of program to disburse reparations would just create similar opportunities for injustice. And forty years down the road, an almost identical article is written complaining about how the invisible secret racism ruined the reparations project and resulted in iniquities and other crap, that we need a NEW reparations project to fix.


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But you don't have to support such reparations to appreciate the article, it's a good read either way and clearly the author's concern is not money so much as an open and honest look at history.


View original postAn open and honest look at history involves including private comments as well as public quotations about such people as Lyndon Johnson. The author was absolutely in love with the white poverty/Negro poverty comment, but doesn't seem much interested in Johnson's gutting of the enforcement provisions of the 1957 Civil Rights Act or the political calculation in his switch to signing the 1964 Act, while chortling to his cronies "I'll have them niggers voting Democratic for two hundred years."


View original postAn open and honest look at history might wonder at the insistence on collective punishment for the crimes of a limited number of dedicated individualists, who are characterized as much by their vision of separation from the whole, as their racism. States Rights and Slavery were the two issues of the South, and yet, they would punish people throughout the country for the sins of those who wished to be no part of that country, and did all they could to effect the separation.


View original postAn open and honest look at history might undermine the claims of the author and his ilk about the country being built on slavery, when the slave, and later Jim Crow, states were the poorest and most backward in the country. One can assert that those poverty-stricken states were deprived their share of New Deal money out of racism towards their large black (non-voting) populations, but the more probable explanation is that the purpose of the New Deal was much more inclined toward the re-election of its perpetrators, than alleviating any other problems, and thus the money was concentrating in the swing states. The South at the time was in no danger of voting Republican, as that was the party still popular with blacks, for both opposing slavery, and more recently, having anti-lynching planks in their national platform. Because of this one-sided political situation, the Democratic administration counted the South as well in its camp, and was more concerned with dispensing largess where it would help more in 1936 & 1940.

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/History: The Case for Reparations - 27/05/2014 07:08:52 PM 1089 Views
Only reparations for..... - 27/05/2014 07:34:29 PM 470 Views
you should try actually reading the article first - 27/05/2014 08:33:53 PM 566 Views
my only problem is his conclusion is weak compared with the rest of the article - 27/05/2014 08:31:54 PM 496 Views
Maybe because there is a lack of connection between the history involved and present day problems. - 29/05/2014 01:35:04 AM 444 Views
sure, and i have a bridge for sale..... - 30/05/2014 12:39:03 AM 432 Views
Re: sure, and i have a bridge for sale..... - 30/05/2014 05:06:11 PM 467 Views
faulty assumptions of your heritage aside, the point still stands. - 02/06/2014 08:54:02 PM 413 Views
Faulty assumptions is the entirety of your argument. - 11/06/2014 07:27:29 AM 462 Views
Re: /History: The Case for Reparations - 29/05/2014 01:54:48 AM 557 Views
Do you have a source where source where LBJ actually said that? *NM* - 29/05/2014 01:17:44 PM 307 Views
IIRC, Robert Kessle "Inside the White House" or something like that. - 30/05/2014 05:09:07 PM 479 Views
So some guy says some guys heard him say it? That isn't much. - 30/05/2014 05:27:13 PM 415 Views
And LBJ or his estate would have allowed such a comment to get out? - 30/05/2014 06:24:55 PM 461 Views
sorry but I see no evidence he wants to have an open an honest discussion - 02/06/2014 02:03:29 PM 466 Views
Should Europe pay restitutions for the damage they did to Africa? - 03/06/2014 01:13:54 PM 453 Views
Sure. - 03/06/2014 06:10:49 PM 426 Views
Absolutely, but only the handful of countries that actually have a colonial past *NM* - 03/06/2014 09:28:58 PM 246 Views
that's not the way it works - 04/06/2014 01:04:46 PM 411 Views
Again, there is an assumption of profit that is not necessarily true - 11/06/2014 02:47:53 AM 575 Views
nope the EU needs to step up the line and starting paying - 11/06/2014 06:05:25 PM 512 Views
One could argue we already do. - 04/06/2014 10:55:44 PM 402 Views

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