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I think it's okay to be weirded out by it Tom Send a noteboard - 08/06/2015 10:28:02 PM

What guy wouldn't be weirded out by the notion of having his dick lopped off? Which to my mind just reinforces the notion that Jenner obviously really should do it because that's a high hurdle to overcome. If she still wants to it's her life and I think we should respect her choice. As I said, I think that legally there need to be limits on when she can use the ladies' room (after surgery only). However, just because you're weirded out by it doesn't mean you want to keep Jenner from being able to do it, does it?

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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This message last edited by Tom on 08/06/2015 at 10:37:55 PM
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Can liberals all stop their posturing about adhering to science? Cannoli - 05/06/2015 12:04:13 AM 1524 Views
It's not really a difficult concept to understand, man beetnemesis - 05/06/2015 02:23:34 PM 916 Views
Re: It's not really a difficult concept to understand, man Cannoli - 05/06/2015 09:05:03 PM 926 Views
It's so difficult to parse out your trolling sometimes beetnemesis - 07/06/2015 02:37:11 PM 928 Views
Some people feel like they are women, though born as men. So they take steps to live The Shrike - 05/06/2015 04:47:14 PM 920 Views
The issue is science, and you respond with ...feelings? The point called, and it misses you too. Cannoli - 05/06/2015 09:31:09 PM 952 Views
Are you seriously claiming your post is motivated by science? Legolas - 05/06/2015 10:39:01 PM 789 Views
No, by hypocrites citing science as a trump card when it suits them & ignoring it on other issues Cannoli - 06/06/2015 12:33:53 AM 946 Views
If you want to accuse liberals of ignoring science there so many better examples random thoughts - 09/06/2015 04:35:58 PM 939 Views
Your views may be the norm now. But not for long The Shrike - 08/06/2015 08:09:41 PM 900 Views
I agree with you in theory random thoughts - 05/06/2015 09:43:43 PM 797 Views
I think it's okay to be weirded out by it Tom - 08/06/2015 10:28:02 PM 961 Views
gender issues aside the evidence of evolution is undeniable to the extreme random thoughts - 05/06/2015 08:37:37 PM 805 Views
Well then why do scientists feel the need to make up their own fake evidence? Cannoli - 05/06/2015 09:16:40 PM 851 Views
The specifics and our understanding always changes random thoughts - 05/06/2015 09:50:39 PM 852 Views
"A better fit" doesn't sound much like testable hypotheses and observable data Cannoli - 06/06/2015 12:38:49 AM 994 Views
Science and absolute, unquestioned fact... gban007 - 06/06/2015 11:16:10 AM 881 Views
The theory is refined that is all random thoughts - 08/06/2015 07:11:40 PM 876 Views
Refined is probably a better word for it (though some can be overturned) gban007 - 09/06/2015 08:47:22 AM 840 Views
We can find Naederthal DNA in modern humans random thoughts - 08/06/2015 07:01:01 PM 782 Views
I am 3% Neanderthal! My 23andMe Test told me so!! *NM* The Shrike - 08/06/2015 08:07:35 PM 455 Views
If thought about doing that random thoughts - 09/06/2015 02:31:11 PM 803 Views
We share 1/3 of the DNA of flowers. Where are those in our ancestral tree? Cannoli - 09/06/2015 02:20:46 PM 811 Views
Of course they are in our family tree random thoughts - 09/06/2015 02:39:18 PM 799 Views
Re: Of course they are in our family tree Cannoli - 13/06/2015 05:29:16 PM 781 Views
Americas (Christian?!) "accepted religious standards" can and have been changed to vindicate robbers Joel - 15/06/2015 03:37:12 AM 884 Views
So? My point is that liberals would not allow you to teach that in a public school Cannoli - 15/06/2015 01:43:43 PM 731 Views
Liberals consistently teach that in schools, despite conservatives calling it “revisionist history” Joel - 17/06/2015 10:00:48 AM 854 Views
The problem with the "there can not spontanous life" argument is random thoughts - 15/06/2015 02:29:06 PM 805 Views
"when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" Joel - 17/06/2015 10:02:00 AM 819 Views
will since omnipotent beings are ut side the realm of the possible we can eliminate that random thoughts - 17/06/2015 05:45:36 PM 870 Views
Who says omnipotent beings are outside the realm of possibility? Joel - 20/06/2015 03:59:44 AM 924 Views
You can always find unaswered question in science but that gives no weight to religion random thoughts - 22/06/2015 01:52:25 PM 801 Views
Not unanswered, unanswerABLE: Huge qualitative difference Joel - 24/06/2015 04:43:54 AM 841 Views
...I'm confused, are you claiming that no real fossils have been found? beetnemesis - 07/06/2015 02:41:12 PM 810 Views
And they prove what, exactly? Cannoli - 07/06/2015 11:24:43 PM 935 Views
Er, well yeah, that's the point- Scientific knowledge keeps growing and challenging itself beetnemesis - 08/06/2015 02:58:26 PM 872 Views
It's not at all the same. Cannoli - 09/06/2015 02:53:06 PM 826 Views
Dude, you're monologuing like a supervillain and going off on insane tangents. beetnemesis - 09/06/2015 03:27:37 PM 961 Views
In fact, fossils are not even necessary sometimes -- we can see it over the course of generations moondog - 08/06/2015 09:06:23 PM 902 Views
That's not evolution, idiot. Cannoli - 09/06/2015 02:31:27 PM 828 Views
um, that's actually EXACTLY how natural selection works, thanks for arguing my point so nicely moondog - 10/06/2015 12:19:32 AM 804 Views
They're not changing. Same species, same characteristics. We're just finding different proportions. Cannoli - 13/06/2015 05:35:09 PM 749 Views
"It's not like they are going to run into difficulties later in life"? Seriously? Joel - 15/06/2015 03:36:42 AM 771 Views
Re: "It's not like they are going to run into difficulties later in life"? Seriously? Cannoli - 15/06/2015 02:23:36 PM 820 Views
Thermodynamics only applies to the concrete, not the abstract Joel - 17/06/2015 10:03:18 AM 806 Views
I would not have expected to see you adhere to a scientist position Tom - 07/06/2015 03:06:11 AM 861 Views
I am not; I am criticizing the people who apply it inconsistently Cannoli - 07/06/2015 11:14:05 PM 918 Views
Perhaps she does not believe in hell The Shrike - 08/06/2015 12:55:50 PM 738 Views
You are confusing science and scientism Tom - 08/06/2015 10:15:57 PM 812 Views
For what it is worth, I have encountered many people who satisfy those stated "scientism" criteria Joel - 15/06/2015 03:37:36 AM 771 Views
can republicans stop their posturing about adhering to morality? moondog - 08/06/2015 09:17:16 PM 853 Views
My own homosexual inclinations would not constitute hypocrisy in opposing deviant behavior Cannoli - 09/06/2015 02:14:56 PM 841 Views
at least you're finally open about your homosexual attraction to the former Bruce Jenner... moondog - 10/06/2015 12:05:10 AM 953 Views
"… in the latter times some shall depart from the faith… speaking lies in hypocrisy…" Joel - 15/06/2015 03:36:08 AM 884 Views
See - more liberal doublespeak Cannoli - 15/06/2015 03:30:57 PM 887 Views
“Who are you calling, ‘you people’?! ” Joel - 17/06/2015 10:08:32 AM 811 Views
Some other stuff Cannoli - 15/06/2015 03:45:59 PM 850 Views
See what you (and the devil, of course) made me do? Joel - 17/06/2015 10:16:35 AM 872 Views
Good luck with that; (at least) two beloved long time RAFOlk are post-medically transgendered Joel - 15/06/2015 03:34:33 AM 711 Views
I find this entire discussion absolutely hilarious. TyrReborn - 15/06/2015 04:19:31 PM 717 Views
well I am sucb a died in the wool liberal I just cant help myself random thoughts - 15/06/2015 06:25:57 PM 723 Views
Yeah, you're to the Left of Trotsky. *NM* Tom - 15/06/2015 07:31:28 PM 408 Views
...what? Attacking points is pretty much what debate IS. beetnemesis - 16/06/2015 04:29:05 AM 781 Views
No... TyrReborn - 17/06/2015 08:00:57 PM 757 Views
OK? beetnemesis - 18/06/2015 04:03:32 AM 789 Views
duplicate post, ignore *NM* beetnemesis - 18/06/2015 04:03:47 AM 497 Views
Oh, I'm sorry. TyrReborn - 18/06/2015 09:05:42 PM 898 Views
A thesis delayed till the SECOND paragraph is, at best, misplaced Joel - 20/06/2015 09:37:36 AM 848 Views
Bah, damn you for good points! TyrReborn - 21/06/2015 09:33:49 PM 841 Views
Oh, man, been there, done that, got the T-shirt Joel - 22/06/2015 01:26:13 AM 796 Views
Heheh, thank you for understanding. TyrReborn - 22/06/2015 09:23:11 PM 767 Views
Shh, saying things like that will sacrifice all your credibility Joel - 24/06/2015 04:40:45 AM 792 Views
The really fun part is when grammatical gender doesn't match the sex even for humans. Legolas - 22/06/2015 10:30:33 PM 738 Views
"Mädchen" was my initial reference, changed because I think Spanish more accessible to Americans Joel - 24/06/2015 04:42:37 AM 841 Views
Re: Oh, I'm sorry. beetnemesis - 20/06/2015 04:44:24 PM 946 Views
You're missing my whole issue with labeling. TyrReborn - 21/06/2015 09:32:36 PM 856 Views
Had this post been the thread-starter it would have drawn far fewer complaints Joel - 24/06/2015 04:41:06 AM 1130 Views
The sheer brazenness of the "calling bigots 'bigots' is offensive" "defense" continually amazes me Joel - 20/06/2015 04:03:46 AM 1047 Views
This might be a complete non-sequitur, but... Legolas - 21/06/2015 10:38:19 PM 723 Views
I'm a hardcore lurker... TyrReborn - 22/06/2015 09:26:59 PM 682 Views
Cool. Legolas - 22/06/2015 10:14:45 PM 802 Views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JFfN5pKzFU *NM* Dion - 15/06/2015 05:01:30 PM 417 Views
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