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Please tell me you didn't vote UKIP at least.

Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/10/2009 02:21:38 PM

This sums up everything that is wrong with the EU. In short - you are not giving us the correct answer when you vote, so keep voting till you get it right. Europe doesn't trust the people to do the right thing, so it simply ignores them, and the speed with which they pounced on Ireland once the recession hit to scaremonger them into the 'right' decision was pathetic.

I spit on them all. Un-elected eurocratic scum.

A second referendum on the same question is somewhat pathetic, yes. But then, so is the absurd misinformation spread by opponents of Lisbon, and the fact that European elections in most countries have more to do with voting for or against the current government than with Europe. Of course to some extent that's the EU itself failing to get much enthusiasm from Europeans, but to some extent it's also the national governments that are to blame.
And the reason why all the pressure was brought to bear on Ireland is precisely that the EU has grown too big for unanimous decisions, and that reforms are needed to allow non-unanimous decisions - but those reforms have to be accepted first.

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Ireland accepts Lisbon Treaty Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:09:29 PM 1481 Views

A sad sad day for europe Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:13:53 PM 910 Views

Please tell me you didn't vote UKIP at least.

Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:21:38 PM 932 Views

I've voted for them before yes. Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:28:31 PM 943 Views

Sigh.

Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:46:27 PM 983 Views

United States of Europe! Here we come.

Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:25:16 PM 955 Views

Let's hope you won't, because you most certainly would vote no. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:27:48 PM 920 Views

We don't get a vote, because we would not say the right thing. So fuck democracy. Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:29:25 PM 856 Views

So I've just found out on Wikipedia. Craziness. *NM* Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:31:04 PM 491 Views

Please explain this to me Danu - 03/10/2009 11:04:32 PM 793 Views

Yes, that's obviously it... Geoff - 04/10/2009 12:57:39 AM 1206 Views

Why does Tim think No is the right choice? Danu - 03/10/2009 11:02:53 PM 882 Views

She never said that Floffe - 03/10/2009 11:22:43 PM 966 Views

Okay, why? Danu - 04/10/2009 12:05:43 AM 807 Views

Hehe Rebekah - 04/10/2009 10:06:40 AM 850 Views

I'm not sure this is an entirely fair analysis. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:18:31 PM 846 Views

Sort of. Inigo Montoya - 04/10/2009 02:19:56 AM 970 Views

What would you say is the most important effect and/or overall significance of the treaty? *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:30:29 PM 390 Views

Mostly making the EU less unwieldy. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:37:06 PM 885 Views

Thanks! *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:42:04 PM 398 Views

Why on earth would you want to let Turkey in? Tom - 03/10/2009 04:05:24 PM 926 Views

Several reasons. Legolas - 03/10/2009 04:41:59 PM 1016 Views

There are a few others. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:03:40 PM 847 Views

I'm sorry, but I don't really see a lot of progress Tom - 04/10/2009 03:16:42 AM 838 Views

Then you aren't looking hard enough.

Legolas - 04/10/2009 07:20:39 AM 1019 Views

It's the old carrot-on-a-stick technique. Tim - 04/10/2009 12:34:08 PM 834 Views

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*NM* ßelals Girl - 03/10/2009 06:15:56 PM 419 Views

What? You're a Eurosceptic American?

*NM* Legolas - 03/10/2009 09:14:56 PM 397 Views

It also puts David Cameron in a difficult position Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:11:41 PM 911 Views

Good point. Legolas - 03/10/2009 09:28:03 PM 933 Views

Re: Good point. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:47:58 PM 963 Views

I'm torn and I have some questions Danu - 03/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 1038 Views

Re: I'm torn and I have some questions Legolas - 04/10/2009 07:45:35 AM 1057 Views

hallelujah! Stephen - 04/10/2009 09:49:39 PM 946 Views

Indeed. Elaine - 05/10/2009 02:00:29 PM 895 Views

I am pleased by this. Here is hoping for an effective elected leader. The Shrike - 05/10/2009 03:20:36 PM 916 Views

Yeah, that's true... Legolas - 05/10/2009 03:42:29 PM 865 Views

So the European parliament will not elect the leader? The Shrike - 05/10/2009 05:08:25 PM 893 Views

Er, that's news to me... but let's look it up. Legolas - 05/10/2009 05:14:09 PM 846 Views

I would have rejected any treaty that would not let me elect a representative or The Shrike - 05/10/2009 06:14:46 PM 867 Views

Honestly, that would never be on the table. Legolas - 05/10/2009 06:37:25 PM 851 Views

So would most of europe. Wibble - 05/10/2009 07:22:41 PM 831 Views

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<quote id="28946">This sums up everything that is wrong with the EU. In short - you are not giving us the correct answer when you vote, so keep voting till you get it right. Europe doesn't trust the people to do the right thing, so it simply ignores them, and the speed with which they pounced on Ireland once the recession hit to scaremonger them into the 'right' decision was pathetic.

I spit on them all. Un-elected eurocratic scum.</quote>

A second referendum on the same question is somewhat pathetic, yes. But then, so is the absurd misinformation spread by opponents of Lisbon, and the fact that European elections in most countries have more to do with voting for or against the current government than with Europe. Of course to some extent that's the EU itself failing to get much enthusiasm from Europeans, but to some extent it's also the national governments that are to blame. 
And the reason why all the pressure was brought to bear on Ireland is precisely that the EU has grown too big for unanimous decisions, and that reforms are needed to allow non-unanimous decisions - but those reforms have to be accepted first. 
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