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I'm not sure this is an entirely fair analysis. Werthead Send a noteboard - 03/10/2009 09:18:31 PM
This sums up everything that is wrong with the EU. In short - you are not giving us the correct answer when you vote, so keep voting till you get it right. Europe doesn't trust the people to do the right thing, so it simply ignores them, and the speed with which they pounced on Ireland once the recession hit to scaremonger them into the 'right' decision was pathetic.


Ireland rejected the Lisbon Treaty v1 for specific reasons to do with tax and abortion laws, so it was taken away, revised and fresh assurances put into it addressing those specific parts. So what Ireland has voted on now is the Lisbon Treaty v1.5 and it has now accepted it.

To me this is democracy in proper motion. I agree that there was some degree of 'scaremongering' in the Yes vote about the economic situation, but if the specific problems people had with the original treaty have been addressed, is it not then viable that the question be put to the people again? Especially if a "No," vote this time around would have completely sunk the treaty for all time and they'd have had to start again from scratch?
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Ireland accepts Lisbon Treaty Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:09:29 PM 1270 Views
A sad sad day for europe Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:13:53 PM 737 Views
Please tell me you didn't vote UKIP at least. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:21:38 PM 747 Views
I've voted for them before yes. Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:28:31 PM 774 Views
Sigh. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:46:27 PM 819 Views
United States of Europe! Here we come. Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:25:16 PM 786 Views
Let's hope you won't, because you most certainly would vote no. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:27:48 PM 741 Views
We don't get a vote, because we would not say the right thing. So fuck democracy. Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:29:25 PM 671 Views
So I've just found out on Wikipedia. Craziness. *NM* Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:31:04 PM 402 Views
Please explain this to me Danu - 03/10/2009 11:04:32 PM 624 Views
Yes, that's obviously it... Geoff - 04/10/2009 12:57:39 AM 1012 Views
Why does Tim think No is the right choice? Danu - 03/10/2009 11:02:53 PM 692 Views
She never said that Floffe - 03/10/2009 11:22:43 PM 782 Views
Okay, why? Danu - 04/10/2009 12:05:43 AM 641 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 04/10/2009 10:06:40 AM 680 Views
I'm not sure this is an entirely fair analysis. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:18:31 PM 665 Views
Sort of. Inigo Montoya - 04/10/2009 02:19:56 AM 765 Views
What would you say is the most important effect and/or overall significance of the treaty? *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:30:29 PM 299 Views
Mostly making the EU less unwieldy. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:37:06 PM 693 Views
Thanks! *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:42:04 PM 314 Views
Why on earth would you want to let Turkey in? Tom - 03/10/2009 04:05:24 PM 753 Views
Several reasons. Legolas - 03/10/2009 04:41:59 PM 830 Views
There are a few others. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:03:40 PM 672 Views
I'm sorry, but I don't really see a lot of progress Tom - 04/10/2009 03:16:42 AM 652 Views
Then you aren't looking hard enough. Legolas - 04/10/2009 07:20:39 AM 845 Views
It's the old carrot-on-a-stick technique. Tim - 04/10/2009 12:34:08 PM 673 Views
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *NM* ßelals Girl - 03/10/2009 06:15:56 PM 333 Views
What? You're a Eurosceptic American? *NM* Legolas - 03/10/2009 09:14:56 PM 310 Views
It also puts David Cameron in a difficult position Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:11:41 PM 726 Views
Good point. Legolas - 03/10/2009 09:28:03 PM 754 Views
Re: Good point. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:47:58 PM 763 Views
I'm torn and I have some questions Danu - 03/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 862 Views
Re: I'm torn and I have some questions Legolas - 04/10/2009 07:45:35 AM 819 Views
hallelujah! Stephen - 04/10/2009 09:49:39 PM 762 Views
Indeed. Elaine - 05/10/2009 02:00:29 PM 722 Views
I am pleased by this. Here is hoping for an effective elected leader. The Shrike - 05/10/2009 03:20:36 PM 707 Views
Yeah, that's true... Legolas - 05/10/2009 03:42:29 PM 686 Views
So the European parliament will not elect the leader? The Shrike - 05/10/2009 05:08:25 PM 703 Views
Er, that's news to me... but let's look it up. Legolas - 05/10/2009 05:14:09 PM 673 Views
I would have rejected any treaty that would not let me elect a representative or The Shrike - 05/10/2009 06:14:46 PM 695 Views
Honestly, that would never be on the table. Legolas - 05/10/2009 06:37:25 PM 671 Views
So would most of europe. Wibble - 05/10/2009 07:22:41 PM 678 Views
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