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I'm torn and I have some questions Danu Send a noteboard - 03/10/2009 10:53:40 PM
On the one hand I think there is a place for centralized government, but I also believe there is a place for small government. There needs to be a mixture of both.

People need to feel they have a say in what their government does.

Here in the U.S. there is the Federal Government and State governments.

Every person of voting age has the right/obligation to vote/have a say in the running of their state and (I believe, to a lesser extent) the running of the federal government.


I see it as two side by side, yet overlapping/superimposed pyramids, one pyramid right side up with the individual at the bottom, the other upside down with the individual at the bottom.
In the former the individual gets a less direct vote, while in the latter a more direct vote.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this anymore...

Okay, how much say will the individual have in the running of the EU?

What are the pros and cons for Sean Hart? How much will his vote count? How much say will he have?

Why should he be for the LT and would he be against it?

Why would he be for or against his country being in the EU?
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Ireland accepts Lisbon Treaty Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:09:29 PM 1305 Views
A sad sad day for europe Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:13:53 PM 761 Views
Please tell me you didn't vote UKIP at least. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:21:38 PM 771 Views
I've voted for them before yes. Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:28:31 PM 795 Views
Sigh. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:46:27 PM 840 Views
United States of Europe! Here we come. Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:25:16 PM 807 Views
Let's hope you won't, because you most certainly would vote no. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:27:48 PM 763 Views
We don't get a vote, because we would not say the right thing. So fuck democracy. Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:29:25 PM 700 Views
So I've just found out on Wikipedia. Craziness. *NM* Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:31:04 PM 413 Views
Please explain this to me Danu - 03/10/2009 11:04:32 PM 647 Views
Yes, that's obviously it... Geoff - 04/10/2009 12:57:39 AM 1040 Views
Why does Tim think No is the right choice? Danu - 03/10/2009 11:02:53 PM 714 Views
She never said that Floffe - 03/10/2009 11:22:43 PM 803 Views
Okay, why? Danu - 04/10/2009 12:05:43 AM 664 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 04/10/2009 10:06:40 AM 703 Views
I'm not sure this is an entirely fair analysis. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:18:31 PM 690 Views
Sort of. Inigo Montoya - 04/10/2009 02:19:56 AM 802 Views
What would you say is the most important effect and/or overall significance of the treaty? *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:30:29 PM 311 Views
Mostly making the EU less unwieldy. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:37:06 PM 715 Views
Thanks! *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:42:04 PM 324 Views
Why on earth would you want to let Turkey in? Tom - 03/10/2009 04:05:24 PM 780 Views
Several reasons. Legolas - 03/10/2009 04:41:59 PM 853 Views
There are a few others. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:03:40 PM 701 Views
I'm sorry, but I don't really see a lot of progress Tom - 04/10/2009 03:16:42 AM 672 Views
Then you aren't looking hard enough. Legolas - 04/10/2009 07:20:39 AM 866 Views
It's the old carrot-on-a-stick technique. Tim - 04/10/2009 12:34:08 PM 694 Views
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *NM* ßelals Girl - 03/10/2009 06:15:56 PM 341 Views
What? You're a Eurosceptic American? *NM* Legolas - 03/10/2009 09:14:56 PM 318 Views
It also puts David Cameron in a difficult position Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:11:41 PM 756 Views
Good point. Legolas - 03/10/2009 09:28:03 PM 775 Views
Re: Good point. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:47:58 PM 789 Views
I'm torn and I have some questions Danu - 03/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 886 Views
Re: I'm torn and I have some questions Legolas - 04/10/2009 07:45:35 AM 851 Views
hallelujah! Stephen - 04/10/2009 09:49:39 PM 784 Views
Indeed. Elaine - 05/10/2009 02:00:29 PM 744 Views
I am pleased by this. Here is hoping for an effective elected leader. The Shrike - 05/10/2009 03:20:36 PM 730 Views
Yeah, that's true... Legolas - 05/10/2009 03:42:29 PM 711 Views
So the European parliament will not elect the leader? The Shrike - 05/10/2009 05:08:25 PM 726 Views
Er, that's news to me... but let's look it up. Legolas - 05/10/2009 05:14:09 PM 694 Views
I would have rejected any treaty that would not let me elect a representative or The Shrike - 05/10/2009 06:14:46 PM 718 Views
Honestly, that would never be on the table. Legolas - 05/10/2009 06:37:25 PM 691 Views
So would most of europe. Wibble - 05/10/2009 07:22:41 PM 696 Views
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