Who actually is doing this? Accepting the services one provides does not equate to unilateral support or praise. This is typical of the hysterical mob mentality of the left,
Well, I did not pull that out of my rear: I said conservatives are praising their erstwhile nemeses Assange and Russia simply because the US administration they are attacking just happens to be an infinitely more heinous democratic one because I have seen many people DOING it. Use your new FB account very much and so will you; nothing is quite so nauseating and mystifying as die-hard Reagan Republicans posting shirtless Putin pics and either cackling gleefully at helping him screw the US government or getting treasonously misty-eyed and envious over a Russian leader so much "better" than their own.
Again with the hyperbole and self-contradictions. According to the left, the GOP under Trump is both embracing isolationism AND "worshipping at the altar" of a foreign leader. In Joel's mind there is no difference between outright worship, and not wanting to fight a war over which slavic dialect is spoken by the kleptocrats who rule former portions of the Czar's old realm. Worshipping at the altars of Soviet leaders, who actually deployed the KGB was something the left had NO problem with, when they spoke of their intention to convert us by force to their own totalitarian political system, and had thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at us. Now that they aren't doing that, but are openly doing a fraction of what went on all the time in the beloved USSR, suddenly petulant derision of one of the most powerful world leaders is not only in fashion, but a required auto da fe, for which you are condemned if you lack sufficient zeal.
Speaking of a "hysterical mob mentality" there is a huge difference between merely "not wanting to fight a war" with the latest Autocrat of All the Russias and CHEERING HIS ATTACKS ON ONES OWN GOVERNMENT. Namely, that one is mere isolationism, the other treason (or at least sedition.) You do understand that Dem defeats are only default GOP wins if the country still EXISTS, right? I mean, even the architects of MAD were swift enough to figure out that much, which puts them head and shoulders above roughly half the US right now.
There is a reason the left speaks so much of "herding cats," but even if there were not, few but naive would-be iconoclasts in a dorm room have EVER "worship[ed] at the altar of Soviet leaders." For generations, a key distinction between actual communists and Western socialists has been that socialist are deeply committed to genuine free democracy, while communists merely parrot policies from the most recent International or Politburo. But now that the KGBs screwing a US government so infinitely worse (i.e. Democratic,) the latest KGB junta chief is "one of the most powerful world leaders." So was Stalin—but that was a BAD thing (especially for Russians.) Speaking of which:
ALL those Russian nukes are STILL pointed DIRECTLY at our heads; that NEVER changed. Because neither did the Russian GOVERNMENT.
The Russians are not the Soviets. In point of fact, they were the primary VICTIMS of the Soviets! How many Americans died in the gulags? How many Americans were shot in the basement of the NKVD headquarters? How many Americans were subjected to Stalinesque show trials? Most of those people were Russians.
No kidding; had I meant "Russians" rather than "Soviets" I would have said so.
No, I perceive that nuance; the problem is that your critiques of allying with the Soviets against Hitler (a Faustian Pact if there ever was one, and the reason we wound up with senior Nazi intelligence officers designing the nascent CIA) routinely descend into naked hero worship of Mussolini and Hitler. In other words, simply expressing reservations or even opposition to climbing into bed with the Soviets is reasonable; trying to start a modern day Bund, however, is American Naziism.
More hyperbole: The problem with McCarthy was not that he went after the precious few Soviet agents who managed to infiltrate our government, but that accused virtually EVERYONE of being a Soviet agent despite utter absence of even flimsy evidence in most cases. That, and the fact that the only reason McCarthy got elected to the Senate in the first place is because of campaign donations from a Wisconsin union that was a known KGB front: Redbaiter, heal thyself!
Dnieper ain't just a river in Ukraine....
If by "frequently" you mean "twice," sure. Maybe three times if we count the multi-national Western intervention in the Russian Civil War, which you presumably condemn for the same reasons as fighting the Nazis alongside Russia: Because whether Lenin or the Czars slaughter millions of their own people is neither Americas problem nor responsibility.
Please do not be disingenous: France actually HAS been our ally on MANY occasions, most notably including when the US was CREATED, which it would NOT have been without the French navy preventing the British from landing reinforcements at Yorktown. However despicable the ideology of any particular past French government was or was not, we NEVER fought a war against it. And, most importantly of all, none of those awful ideologies are driving the CURRENT French government: Russias been run for 20 years (so far...) by a former East German KGB chief who said he WEPT WHEN THE BERLIN WALL FELL, and STILL HAS ALL ITS NUKES POINTED AT OUR HEADS.
How many French nukes are pointed at the US...?
No, that is precisely what I am condemning, particularly when done by a hostile foreign power in an attempt to cripple our ability to resist its advances, up to and including our own houses.
I sincerely have NO idea what you are talking about here; McCarthy certainly was not having a detached academic economic debate when he sent people to prison, nor was Russia when it hacked into the voter registries in over TWENTY STATES. Was it not Stalin himself who said, "who votes does not count; all that matters is who counts the votes"?
What "subversive actions"? Doing exactly what the Republican Secy. of State Hillary succeeded TOLD HER IN WRITING TO DO? I mean, OK, fine he denies it, but maybe he should not have SIGNED the SOB if he wanted anyone to believe that denial. "Demonstrated sympathies and allegiance"? You mean like publicly encouraging and promising to reward Russia for hacking the US election, then going on TV after inauguration and excusing Russias habitual assassinations on the grounds that "what, you think this country's so innocent?"
When a judge assigns a lawyer to a case, that lawyer is legally obligated to take it—especially when she begs the judge point blank to let her bail and he tells her point blank she cannot. In Hitlers Germany, Mussolinis Italy and Putins Russia it is no big deal; trials are optional, and token defenses not only acceptable, but often encouraged. Yet the US Constitution entitles every AMERICAN to a fair trial (for now....)
Meanwhile, "at least Putin is not Merkel" sounds a lot like "at least Trump is not Hillary." You could learn a lot from Merkels life experiences: She grew up in the very East Germany Putin and the rest of the KGB brutally subjugated for half a century. Thus you no longer need worry about Prussian militarism, because the Seven Bridges of Koenigsberg are now the Seven Bridges of Kaliningrad, complete with a modern Polish Corridor separating the rest of Russia from an exclave it has essentially transformed into a huge naval military base rivaling even that in Crimea. Y'know, the huge Crimean naval military base Russia INVADED to secure? Poland is a NATO member, so if they do the same there it is WW III, and Russias official military policy for such an event is to launch a preemptive tactical nuclear strike to prevent the US and the rest of NATO landing vastly superior conventional forces on Russias doorstep in the Baltic States.
That stuff is not going on anywhere near what it did when the left was lining up to sing the perpetrators' praises, and give each other medals for making us see the Soviets as people. Which was the praise Hillary Clinton's husband gave to lifelong liberal Democrat and segregationist at a ceremony honoring said Soviet-sympathizer. Being fine with invading armies driving tanks over neighboring sovereign states is explicitly set forth in the Monroe Doctrine as US policy. And they were talking about REAL countries, not failed third-world states that were invented in 1919 and resurrected in the 1990s, along arbitrary borders imposed in the interim by SOVIET administrators.
"Life-long segregationist"? Pretty much NO ONE believes that, because it easy to tell which Dixiecrats were LIFETIME segregationists: They are the ones who BECAME REPUBLICANS in the wake of the VRA, CRA of 1964 and 24th Amendment. It should have been a great day for the US: After a centurys delay, Dems finally got on the right side of history and hopped onboard the civil rights bandwagon—too bad Republicans hopped OFF barely a DECADE after they got on, accepting a century of Jim Crow in exchange for being allowed to steal the election of 1876. It is no coincidence the Solid South remains as solid as ever, but solidly REPUBLICAN. Just more to quoque: "It is OK that we are racists now, because ya'll were racists 50 years ago." Because coming to the light is just as bad as turning to the dark, right?
Oh, what a relief; I could have SWORN Republican legislatures in EIGHTEEN STATES were trying to make First Amendment assembly and petition for redress of grievances, while the president himself declares the free press "enemies of the people." Refresh my memory; "enemy of the people" was a phrase coined by Jefferson or Lincoln, not Hitler or Stalin, right?
Because that was not a thing that happened under Obama, or Clinton, or Roosevelt?
Correct, it was NOT.
Name three people who EVER called Trotsky "right wing." Stalin probably called him a "reactionary" or "counterrevolutionary," and Molotov probably parroted that, but that is still 1) BS and 2) only two people.
Misery loves company, but "my ilk" does not push the Identity Politics crap; ask moondog how much crap I have been giving him about for how long.
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