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No no no my friend, do not put words in my mouth AgentOrange Send a noteboard - 24/11/2009 03:52:29 PM
you got your myths mixed up

The one discovered in the early 1800's and quantified in the later part of that century? Where water vapour provides around half the effect, maybe 75%? Still a myth?


I am not claiming there isn't a greenhouse effect, or that greenhouse gases do not contribute to atmospheric temperatures.

But their changed concentration due to human envolvment has not been shown to be a driving factor in recent temperature changes.

Not only that, but the proponents of such theories, say in Kyoto, disregarded factors such as the termal conduction of greenhouse molecules at different atmospheric pressures and altitude and also ignored saturation effects.

The second tactic of ignoring saturation effects is most annoying because it is an alarmist tactic. Like those used by people who try to scare you with demographics. Except it's even less appropriate here. If greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere it doesn't mean more concentrated grrenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere the same way. Nature tends to saturation curves like a discharging capacitator.
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No, I am sure global warming is just a myth. </sarcasm> - 24/11/2009 01:23:50 PM 977 Views
That ice is not melting - everyone knows temperatures aren't going up. - 24/11/2009 01:30:12 PM 657 Views
Precisely. - 24/11/2009 01:31:17 PM 629 Views
*NM* - 24/11/2009 01:52:03 PM 369 Views
They say that it's vanishing because it's melting... - 24/11/2009 01:49:24 PM 625 Views
*NM* - 24/11/2009 02:20:00 PM 394 Views
While I believe that the climate is changing - 24/11/2009 02:10:53 PM 956 Views
Not to excuse tomfoolery of any kind (fun word )... - 24/11/2009 02:14:41 PM 576 Views
You never deviate from serious and exact wording in your private e-mails? *NM* - 24/11/2009 02:21:22 PM 369 Views
I think this is a bit more than a deviation. - 24/11/2009 02:33:49 PM 834 Views
Sales figures are a good example - 24/11/2009 02:48:44 PM 612 Views
Re: I think this is a bit more than a deviation. - 24/11/2009 02:49:30 PM 743 Views
Climategate is a big scandal.....very damaging to the AGW kool-aid drinkers. - 24/11/2009 03:53:27 PM 593 Views
Exactly; just look at these guys: - 24/11/2009 05:38:33 PM 915 Views
Greenland was much less icy back in the days when it was first settled. - 24/11/2009 02:29:50 PM 711 Views
From what I understand - 24/11/2009 02:45:04 PM 748 Views
No one seriously argues against climate change. The myth is called the greenhouse effect - 24/11/2009 02:31:30 PM 614 Views
Yes they do. Well, depending how seriously you take trzaska2000 and others of his ilk... - 24/11/2009 02:53:33 PM 612 Views
I believe copy-right was aiming a bit higher than a specific person. You're not supposed to do that - 24/11/2009 03:17:31 PM 596 Views
But I was just using him as an example - to show that some people who think global warming a myth - 24/11/2009 03:27:13 PM 598 Views
I am not as crazy as Joel!!! - 24/11/2009 03:48:33 PM 753 Views
You keep telling yourself that - 24/11/2009 04:31:01 PM 650 Views
trzaska is way beyond joel on the madness-meter. - 24/11/2009 03:53:09 PM 736 Views
Please explain..... - 24/11/2009 03:56:51 PM 742 Views
I wouldn't know where to begin. - 24/11/2009 04:20:38 PM 726 Views
Not for a European, but for an American..... *NM* - 24/11/2009 04:29:59 PM 410 Views
bull you're middle of the road. - 24/11/2009 06:11:52 PM 576 Views
Define "middle of the road" then..... *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:25:59 PM 366 Views
About a hundred meters to the left of you. *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:59:49 PM 394 Views
That comment is irrelevant without a frame of reference..... - 24/11/2009 07:24:26 PM 643 Views
Re: That comment is irrelevant without a frame of reference..... - 24/11/2009 07:25:18 PM 589 Views
I'd agree that you're middle of the road as far as policy goes... - 24/11/2009 08:10:59 PM 574 Views
That's pretty accurate.....I do enjoy colorful rhetoric! - 25/11/2009 04:14:25 PM 555 Views
I'm not convinced - 24/11/2009 04:34:50 PM 627 Views
That's not exactly what I said. - 24/11/2009 06:06:44 PM 799 Views
I never said anyone is crazy. That is up to individual rafonauts' doctors. *NM* - 24/11/2009 04:02:43 PM 356 Views
You did open a helluva can of worms though, deliberately or not. - 24/11/2009 06:10:57 PM 706 Views
I was ridiculing myself for pointing to you at that earlier post a few days ago *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:22:04 PM 283 Views
Fair enough then. - 24/11/2009 06:24:36 PM 594 Views
Re: You're not supposed to do that - 24/11/2009 06:14:58 PM 576 Views
I submit myself to your punishment - 24/11/2009 06:24:26 PM 735 Views
It's cool, man. - 24/11/2009 06:31:17 PM 605 Views
Silly snoop.....my beef is with AGW, not GW in general..... - 24/11/2009 03:46:15 PM 638 Views
You should be clearer then - 24/11/2009 04:30:04 PM 568 Views
The greenhouse effect without with the global average temperature would be in the ballpark of -15C? - 24/11/2009 03:24:40 PM 624 Views
No no no my friend, do not put words in my mouth - 24/11/2009 03:52:29 PM 658 Views

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