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And since when are you a trained eye? LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM
I'm not an embryologist, but I have a feeling I've had more education on the subject than you. Yes there are differences, but for the most part, the early stages of development are identical in almost every single mammalian species.

Scientists cannot even define what makes up a persona, much less what causes it and when it develops.

Many, many people disagree entirely with your opinion that someone is a "person" at conception. There is no definitive proof for either side.

But going with the assumption that one is a person with full rights upon conception, we then have doctors and families in a very difficult position. Potentially lose yourself/wife/signficiant-other? Lose a child you do not know and have no attachment to (beyond hormonal drive)? Both are horrible outomes and it is an incredibly difficult decision to make. One that requires a great deal of opinion to come to. In the case of a mother's safety, how can you force someone to make that call in either direction?

Isn't that what freedom of choice is about?

Of course, then you have all the legal ramifications of defining a zygote as a human being. If a woman drinks while she is 2 weeks pregnant, is she guilty of child abuse? If she miscarries during a car accident, is the guilty party tried for manslaughter? If a husband hits his pregnant wife, should he be tried twice for domestic abuse? If someone accidently aborts their child through ignorance (ex. certain herbs or medications), should they be tried in court? Could the father sue?


It is simply my opinion that it is unethical to make abortions illegal since the definition of when a zygote becomes a human being is nonexistent and to outlaw it would put a definitively human woman in a position for risk.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1940 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1154 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1151 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 903 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 796 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 541 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 944 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 898 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 931 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 918 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1148 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 1042 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 915 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 1022 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 889 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 906 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 975 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 935 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 938 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 937 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 1032 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 984 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 1014 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 1054 Views
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at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 925 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 961 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 932 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 932 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 823 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 556 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 898 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 934 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 920 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 1057 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 954 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 984 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 543 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 1059 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 912 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 952 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 856 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4279 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 993 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 967 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 773 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 768 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 780 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 884 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1080 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 945 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 932 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 563 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 824 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 797 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 767 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 867 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 889 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 995 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 963 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 919 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 555 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 914 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 551 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 491 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 942 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 916 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 1041 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 778 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 880 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 777 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 917 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 563 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 1052 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 982 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 1052 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 792 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 886 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 523 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 421 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 561 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1097 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 706 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 904 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 501 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 808 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 514 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 958 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 868 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 907 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 805 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 502 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 795 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 563 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 940 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 1048 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 914 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 897 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 1018 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 776 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 933 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 928 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 939 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 758 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 791 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 909 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 778 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 842 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 891 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 975 Views

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