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I don't think that's the case Isaac Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM

For all the pomp and circumstance, the last two Democratic Presidents were elected largely (in Clintons case, solely) on the basis of promised healthcare reform, providing a clear mandate for it twice in as many decades. Both times the industry convinced the public they didn't really want what they voted for en masse. In less than six months. Well done, America.... :rolleyes:


I remember both elections, in spite of my youth at the time of the latter, and I can't see Healtchare Reform as a major factor in swaying the middle. First, Clinton had no mandate at all,less than 51% is definetly not a mandate, he got 43%. Everyone who was voting specifically for change from the middle was voting Perot. No matter how one cuts it, Obama was essentially elected for being 'not-Bush' and the GOP suffered from the same, while having more vulnerable senate seats.
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view Roland00 - 01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM 938 Views
And a personal comment Roland00 - 01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM 668 Views
Re: And a personal comment everynametaken - 02/02/2010 01:16:53 AM 634 Views
Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though? Aemon - 02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM 703 Views
*thumbs up* *NM* Ghavrel - 02/02/2010 01:50:45 AM 269 Views
Or should I say... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 02/02/2010 01:51:03 AM 271 Views
I Don't watch tv Roland00 - 02/02/2010 02:29:53 AM 674 Views
not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding random thoughts - 02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM 521 Views
Even so. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM 556 Views
Like the NYT? random thoughts - 05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM 578 Views
I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias. Joel - 05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM 602 Views
and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters random thoughts - 05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM 645 Views
Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. ) Joel - 05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM 571 Views
PBS is biased random thoughts - 05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM 549 Views
You're entitled to believe that. Joel - 05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM 693 Views
PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR random thoughts - 09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM 516 Views
Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands. Joel - 09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM 644 Views
so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM 593 Views
Sometimes the truth hurts, though it doesn't hurt PBS. Joel - 10/02/2010 10:15:13 AM 669 Views
We have been for some time. Joel - 02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM 597 Views
I don't think that's the case Isaac - 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM 551 Views
Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 546 Views
That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare Isaac - 04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM 651 Views
I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue. Joel - 05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM 682 Views
Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue. Isaac - 05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM 638 Views
[insert witty subject line here] Joel - 06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM 656 Views
Let me break this into multiple replies here Isaac - 06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM 646 Views
'K Joel - 08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM 644 Views
Probably time to go into 'summary mode' Isaac - 08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM 671 Views
Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?" Joel - 09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM 679 Views
Any way that works, which currently probably is none Isaac - 09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM 628 Views
I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning. Joel - 10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM 701 Views
Sorry for the delay... Isaac - 12/02/2010 11:40:21 PM 766 Views
NP, life happens. Joel - 15/02/2010 02:06:55 PM 772 Views
I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot random thoughts - 05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM 548 Views
Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt? Joel - 06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM 636 Views
you don't get mandates from primaries random thoughts - 08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM 528 Views
No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't. Joel - 08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM 535 Views
everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it random thoughts - 09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM 584 Views
Whom do you prefer? Joel - 09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM 618 Views
Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM 520 Views
In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it. Joel - 10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM 573 Views
I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship Cannoli - 02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM 567 Views
If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!" Joel - 02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM 705 Views
you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel AgentOrange - 03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM 534 Views
Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM 542 Views
Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery AgentOrange - 04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM 544 Views
Qualifiers are clarifying by nature. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM 664 Views
huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US. AgentOrange - 04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM 512 Views
Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM 648 Views
Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation Cannoli - 05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM 555 Views
Maybe; Billy Mitchell might debate that were he alive. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:34:54 AM 685 Views
Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you! SilverWarder - 05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM 722 Views
I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked. Joel - 06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM 699 Views
Some information and a question JasonD - 02/03/2010 05:49:20 AM 1103 Views
Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented" Joel - 02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM 767 Views
Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems random thoughts - 02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM 529 Views
You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress? Dannymac - 02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM 538 Views
I there was plenty of whining going on random thoughts - 02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM 477 Views
Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist? Joel - 08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM 524 Views
I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want random thoughts - 08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM 431 Views
They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills. Joel - 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM 622 Views
tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans random thoughts - 09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM 529 Views
So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh? Joel - 09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM 565 Views
well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM 535 Views
Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare. Joel - 10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM 694 Views
most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected random thoughts - 13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM 524 Views
Um... sorry, man.... Joel - 10/02/2010 11:06:22 AM 723 Views
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