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I don't think that's the case Isaac Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM

For all the pomp and circumstance, the last two Democratic Presidents were elected largely (in Clintons case, solely) on the basis of promised healthcare reform, providing a clear mandate for it twice in as many decades. Both times the industry convinced the public they didn't really want what they voted for en masse. In less than six months. Well done, America.... :rolleyes:


I remember both elections, in spite of my youth at the time of the latter, and I can't see Healtchare Reform as a major factor in swaying the middle. First, Clinton had no mandate at all,less than 51% is definetly not a mandate, he got 43%. Everyone who was voting specifically for change from the middle was voting Perot. No matter how one cuts it, Obama was essentially elected for being 'not-Bush' and the GOP suffered from the same, while having more vulnerable senate seats.
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Why bipartisanship can't work: the expert view Roland00 - 01/02/2010 11:34:58 PM 910 Views
And a personal comment Roland00 - 01/02/2010 11:39:28 PM 649 Views
Re: And a personal comment everynametaken - 02/02/2010 01:16:53 AM 604 Views
Who's to say YOU really know what's happening in Washington, though? Aemon - 02/02/2010 01:41:20 AM 680 Views
*thumbs up* *NM* Ghavrel - 02/02/2010 01:50:45 AM 248 Views
Or should I say... ? *NM* Ghavrel - 02/02/2010 01:51:03 AM 260 Views
I Don't watch tv Roland00 - 02/02/2010 02:29:53 AM 638 Views
not to mention those who mistake knowledge for understanding random thoughts - 02/02/2010 10:41:14 PM 489 Views
Even so. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:45:54 AM 521 Views
Like the NYT? random thoughts - 05/02/2010 02:12:36 PM 547 Views
I don't believe the Times has ever conceded bias. Joel - 05/02/2010 06:03:02 PM 580 Views
and neither does Fox so I am not sure that matters random thoughts - 05/02/2010 06:40:15 PM 609 Views
Note that I didn't mention Fox (or anyone, for that matter. ) Joel - 05/02/2010 07:13:31 PM 541 Views
PBS is biased random thoughts - 05/02/2010 07:21:14 PM 520 Views
You're entitled to believe that. Joel - 05/02/2010 07:31:07 PM 660 Views
PBS has an obvious yet undeclared bias so does NPR random thoughts - 09/02/2010 04:47:53 AM 478 Views
Even were that true (which I dispute) my statement stands. Joel - 09/02/2010 09:50:36 AM 604 Views
so they wouldn't be biased becuas it could hurt them but you still argue republicans attack them random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:19:53 PM 555 Views
Sometimes the truth hurts, though it doesn't hurt PBS. Joel - 10/02/2010 10:15:13 AM 645 Views
We have been for some time. Joel - 02/02/2010 03:31:10 AM 552 Views
I don't think that's the case Isaac - 03/02/2010 02:59:50 PM 526 Views
Universal healthcare was the primary plank in Clintons '92 platform. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 514 Views
That does not mean his bare plurality was an endorsement of National Healthcare Isaac - 04/02/2010 02:09:32 PM 638 Views
I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue. Joel - 05/02/2010 08:09:50 AM 656 Views
Re: I don't think he won by default, and that was his primary issue. Isaac - 05/02/2010 03:52:23 PM 604 Views
[insert witty subject line here] Joel - 06/02/2010 02:15:21 AM 636 Views
Let me break this into multiple replies here Isaac - 06/02/2010 07:45:36 PM 617 Views
'K Joel - 08/02/2010 01:22:12 PM 609 Views
Probably time to go into 'summary mode' Isaac - 08/02/2010 07:34:55 PM 638 Views
Again, we're back to "how would you prefer to do it?" Joel - 09/02/2010 09:42:51 AM 660 Views
Any way that works, which currently probably is none Isaac - 09/02/2010 06:12:41 PM 594 Views
I think HDI is more accurate than nothing, though it certainly needs some fine tuning. Joel - 10/02/2010 11:03:08 AM 657 Views
Sorry for the delay... Isaac - 12/02/2010 11:40:21 PM 742 Views
NP, life happens. Joel - 15/02/2010 02:06:55 PM 743 Views
I'll play a bigger age card since it was my third election to vote in and he won because of Perot random thoughts - 05/02/2010 05:57:04 PM 530 Views
Let's put it another way: Why did Dems nominate him instead of, say, Gephardt? Joel - 06/02/2010 02:22:04 AM 598 Views
you don't get mandates from primaries random thoughts - 08/02/2010 02:12:29 PM 500 Views
No, but end of the day more people wanted healthcare than didn't. Joel - 08/02/2010 03:09:31 PM 512 Views
everyone want health care they just don't want congress runnig it random thoughts - 09/02/2010 04:56:44 AM 548 Views
Whom do you prefer? Joel - 09/02/2010 10:07:39 AM 582 Views
Sorry not a big fan of socialism I hear it big over in Europe though random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:23:55 PM 479 Views
In other words you prefer the system we have; thanks for admitting it. Joel - 10/02/2010 10:05:38 AM 529 Views
I prefer Thomas Woods Jr's description of bipartisanship Cannoli - 02/02/2010 02:49:06 AM 537 Views
If only someone had stood up on 8 December, 1941 and said, "hey, you're not supposed to do stuff!" Joel - 02/02/2010 03:28:38 AM 681 Views
you're making a good job taking things out of context, Joel AgentOrange - 03/02/2010 12:47:57 PM 498 Views
Don't speak in absolutes and I won't read absolutes. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:08:43 AM 513 Views
Some qualifiers can be left unsaid for a clearer message. Or better delivery AgentOrange - 04/02/2010 10:26:56 AM 502 Views
Qualifiers are clarifying by nature. Joel - 04/02/2010 10:49:06 AM 636 Views
huh. That does make sense. I know malpractice is a big weight on the the system in the US. AgentOrange - 04/02/2010 11:58:37 AM 475 Views
Perhaps, but it's hardly the greatest weight, or even in the top three, IMHO. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:44:49 AM 621 Views
Pearl Harbor would never have happened to a classically liberal nation Cannoli - 05/02/2010 01:33:56 AM 524 Views
Maybe; Billy Mitchell might debate that were he alive. Joel - 05/02/2010 05:34:54 AM 646 Views
Wow - that was a dumb statement even for you! SilverWarder - 05/02/2010 04:22:59 PM 702 Views
I do generally agree, but I think the Washington Naval Conference is too often overlooked. Joel - 06/02/2010 02:33:51 AM 652 Views
Some information and a question JasonD - 02/03/2010 05:49:20 AM 1060 Views
Politicians and pundits should stop calling things that happened in the last decade "unprecedented" Joel - 02/02/2010 03:23:27 AM 725 Views
Or the democratic party has shifted so far to to the left they can't even get all of the dems random thoughts - 02/02/2010 02:39:14 PM 501 Views
You didn't hear all the whining when Bush was in charge with a Republican Congress? Dannymac - 02/02/2010 08:50:05 PM 516 Views
I there was plenty of whining going on random thoughts - 02/02/2010 10:36:56 PM 445 Views
Is this you conceding that the GOP is being obstructionist? Joel - 08/02/2010 01:43:04 PM 490 Views
I agree they are obstructing the libs from doing whatever they want random thoughts - 08/02/2010 02:19:13 PM 412 Views
They've tried including Republicans in drafting bills. Joel - 08/02/2010 03:08:17 PM 577 Views
tyring to pcik off one republican is not including republicans random thoughts - 09/02/2010 05:03:44 AM 516 Views
So we've gone from "stop being secretive" to "no public meetings" eh? Joel - 09/02/2010 11:59:50 AM 529 Views
well it was your guy who was up in arms about private meetings random thoughts - 09/02/2010 02:29:34 PM 499 Views
Was it? I don't recall any Dem complaining about private meeting on healthcare. Joel - 10/02/2010 09:44:56 AM 667 Views
most liberals seem to foretting the "rhetoric" that Obama used to get elected random thoughts - 13/02/2010 06:54:34 AM 498 Views
Um... sorry, man.... Joel - 10/02/2010 11:06:22 AM 687 Views
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