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Well, let's discuss some of these points Isaac Send a noteboard - 09/02/2010 07:13:33 PM
The difference in my mind between Obama reading a teleprompter for a whole speech and Palin needing her hand to remind her she wants to cut taxes is that there's a lot more detail in the former, and it's easy to forget stuff. "Cut taxes, drill ANWAR and Go, America!" is simple enough I only had to check her notes once, and I haven't been campaigning on them for two years straight.


This is, of course, a totally flaweed analogy and I tihnk you know it, Palin uses paper or prompter for speeches too, there's a reason to employ speechwriters, and of course one normally has a lot of back and forth with them. they tend to be one of the few people who can pretty much tromp into POTUS's office without an appointment. Nobody expects anyone to remember word for word a speech, nor is delivering one the least bit disingenious. No reasonable person expects someone not to put talking points, note, etc on notecards, and to point out that she had it on her hand is instead of a card is beyond silly. Why would you espect her to remember to bring up those points? One's ability to remember to do something like that isn't really based on intelligence. I'm a notorious digressor, my memory is fine, but I tend to wander off topic, scrawling my major points on my hand as a reminder seems pretty justified. Why did Palin do it? What were they specifically reminding her off? Don't know, but let's at least pretend she deserves benefit of the doubt and Occam's Razor.

I don't consider Palin a foreign policy expert for the same reason I didn't consider Bush one: They'd never had cause to look at it much until they ran for national office. I don't consider Obama a foreign policy expert for a similar reason, not so much that he's never been to the US Senate as that he didn't even finish his first term before running for President. His extensive personal travel abroad mitigates that a little, just as having Bush 41 for a dad did for Bush 43, but not enough. If you want to parse it that much, fine: Palin isn't necessarily stupid, but a disproportionate number of things she says are (like claiming live within 1000 miles of the Bering Strait made her knowledgeable about foreign policy; that was far more plausible when Bush said it about Mexico. )


Come, come, we know why she said that, it wasn't an ideal comment but she was pointing out that she lives near the border of Russia, not our ally canada or non-threatening mexico, but the country that for most of her life, and most of most voters lives, was our worst enemy. Need I remind you that Alaska and that area would have been where a lot of the battles would have happened, or that they are where a lot of our strikes would have originated from? Grow up in an area like that and it's likely to be something you take an interest in, let's apply benefit of the doubt and Occam's Razor again, comment translates as 'I've spent a big chunk of my life living very close to the border of our worst enemy, and as governor, I do in fact have to keep up on all the posts, installations, and forces that are or have been psotioned there to deal with the Soviets and now the Russians.' An ideal statement? Well, obviously not, but honestly it's as legit as Obama's living in Indonesia or visiting Kenya as a source of foriegn policy experience... which is to say not much, except it might have sparked a broader interest. She was not claiming expertise because she lived near Russia. She was saying her background was not that of a distant governor as implied but one from a state that is no more isolated from the world stage than Virginia or Maryland.

It's not about the issues; there have been plenty of staunch conservatives in the Republican Party who were far more knowledgeable, experienced and articulate than the ones embraced by the fundie right. Huckabee and Bob Dole are good examples, but you didn't see the people they represented flock to their banner because instead of stuttering a mumbled response to tough questions then waving an American flag they actually knew their stuff.


Not a huge Huckabee fan, but the only reason I didn't vote for Dole was I wasn't old enough. Nice example though, it was impossible to portray Dole as an idiot, so instead they pounded on him for his age and his tendency to refer to himself as 'Bob Dole' and implied he was senile. Another shining moment in liberal open-mindedness. Palin wasn't embraced by the fundie right, she was embraced by the populist right, this is no specific fundie right with a unified idealogy. The rest of us were just happy McCain picked a solid conservative who actually had some governing experience and crowd appeal. Which I'd point out 'relatively inexperienced but charismatic' may be a bad qualifier for VP but not something anyone on the left should really be lecturing us about considering POTUS.

Believed their own hype enough they didn't need a cheat sheet to remember what it was.


It's not a cheat sheet, you keep saying that, all it shows is that you lack any objectivity on the matter. You simply can not acknowledge that she might have just wanted reminders to stay on point and those were her points. It's like RT said, this whole things speaks way more about her detractors characters than hers.

I doubt you'll see Mike Huckabee turning up at a rally for a Republican Governor who tried to force every school girl in the state to take the (less than a year old) HPV vaccine, then shoved toll roads paid for in full by bond initiatives down the states throat, but that's what Palin was doing before she made the tea party where this video was shot. Perry's not even going to get renominated (which is actually bad, because Hutchison is a lot more like Huckabee than Palin when it comes to qualifications) but evidently he and the former Governor of Alaska don't realize that yet.


Kind of batting out of left field there, and I don't normally consider a vaccine known to prevent cervical cancer a bad thing. I also don't tend to think of toll roads and bonds as areas of public policy that tend to automatically reflect badly on someone's character, did you maybe want to list some specifics there? I'm not even sure if you are talking about Texas or Alaska.

It's not that no one takes the far right seriously, it's that the constituency keeps ignoring candidates like Dole and Huckabee for gaffe machines like Quayle, Bush 43 and Palin. "Unfit for Command" indeed.... :rolleyes:


We didn't ignore Dole, we nominated him for president and he lost. Huckabee's a good man but honestly I prefered Romney over him, and Huckabee would have been trashed at that time (maybe not in 2012) because of his being clergy. You know there are factions on the left that would have screamed non stop about how his nomination showed the right was trying to cram Jesus and rednecks down people's throats. We got McCain, we ran him, he lost. BE honest though, the GOP contestants were almost all vastly more experienced than the DEM candidates, what, I think only Richardson had much actual executive experience. You ran a pack of senators, the most experienced of which were gaffe-machine-biden and scandal ridden Dodd, and senator really isn't a good direct move to POTUS. After them, your remaining nominees all had equal or lesser experience to our vice-presidential nominee. You guys must have at least a dozen center-left governors you could have ran, where the heck were they? Bush Jr. was perfectly qualified to be POTUS and Quayle was no more a gaffe machine than Biden.
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Palin reads Cheat Notes. - 08/02/2010 12:43:02 AM 1423 Views
Is it really worse than reading answers on a teleprompter? sorry, I see no big deal here. *NM* - 08/02/2010 01:02:49 AM 251 Views
yes yes it is. a teleprompter is subtle - 08/02/2010 01:22:17 AM 592 Views
a teleprompter is not subtle - 08/02/2010 02:25:46 PM 521 Views
staring openly and blatantly at your hand is? *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:09:25 PM 322 Views
I think if anyone else had done the dame thing we wouldn't even had heard about - 08/02/2010 06:13:44 PM 523 Views
you're right, we probably would not have heard about it - 08/02/2010 07:56:09 PM 562 Views
Yes for what the notes were - 08/02/2010 12:44:35 PM 556 Views
no biggie *NM* - 08/02/2010 02:00:12 AM 271 Views
Isn't her 15 minutes over yet? *NM* - 08/02/2010 02:45:58 AM 357 Views
This only obscures the rational reasons for duly decrying her political popularity. Moooooooo. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:19:45 AM 325 Views
I disagree, I think it underscores it. - 08/02/2010 03:39:57 AM 524 Views
Or they might believe that a far left liberal - 08/02/2010 04:16:51 AM 541 Views
Calling someone who needs a cheat sheet for their talking points stupid isn't an ad hominem, IMHO. - 08/02/2010 12:13:36 PM 536 Views
soory but your wrong, again - 08/02/2010 02:23:31 PM 496 Views
You shouldn't need reminders of your major themes after two years pushing them. - 08/02/2010 02:55:22 PM 527 Views
That's a bit silly - 08/02/2010 08:40:25 PM 689 Views
I'm perfectly happy to discuss her positions; I just think Huckabee does a better job of it. - 09/02/2010 10:26:54 AM 709 Views
Well, let's discuss some of these points - 09/02/2010 07:13:33 PM 715 Views
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Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points - 10/02/2010 06:49:51 PM 813 Views
Ironically, Palin seems to agree this is different than using a teleprompter for a speech. - 11/02/2010 09:05:19 AM 708 Views
Again, two seperate things - 11/02/2010 09:51:15 PM 524 Views
Agreed, but Palin and other Republicans, not I, drew the comparison. - 15/02/2010 01:02:25 PM 673 Views
Just to get the obligatory Feinstein comment out of the way... - 15/02/2010 11:43:42 PM 735 Views
Hadn't heard, actually. - 19/02/2010 06:58:50 AM 650 Views
Re: Hadn't heard, actually. - 19/02/2010 08:32:11 AM 647 Views
Ah. - 23/02/2010 09:55:45 PM 724 Views
Re: Ah. - 24/02/2010 01:32:34 AM 671 Views
Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 01/03/2010 03:51:49 AM 666 Views
Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 01/03/2010 11:46:24 PM 880 Views
Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement. - 05/03/2010 12:11:48 AM 754 Views
Random Title - 05/03/2010 02:49:59 AM 682 Views
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Oh dear, who ever let you two get into a subthread together? - 15/03/2010 10:31:24 PM 744 Views
Ben was asleep at the switch, clearly. - 29/03/2010 02:48:46 PM 680 Views
oh yes, and the right never uses ad hominem - 08/02/2010 03:56:42 PM 490 Views
This is petty and also rather ignorant - 08/02/2010 03:59:40 AM 687 Views
There had to be better ways, though - 08/02/2010 08:36:50 AM 444 Views
so you're saying you're as dumb as sarah palin? - 08/02/2010 10:55:00 AM 501 Views
Basically yes - 08/02/2010 06:57:16 PM 558 Views
a couple of points... - 09/02/2010 01:53:29 AM 522 Views
Let me get this straight. - 08/02/2010 03:59:40 AM 601 Views
Okay, folks, it's not that she had a cheat sheet. - 08/02/2010 04:39:06 AM 557 Views
Style is EVERYTHING, dammit! *NM* - 08/02/2010 05:34:14 AM 283 Views
As Cheat Sheet was raised as an objection, so it clearly was - 08/02/2010 06:16:57 AM 661 Views
It's completely unprofessional - 08/02/2010 08:27:47 AM 520 Views
why? - 08/02/2010 02:29:44 PM 544 Views
well it's all she's got going for her. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:10:37 PM 234 Views
You know that's a good question - 08/02/2010 05:19:10 PM 506 Views
maybe you are just projecting - 08/02/2010 06:15:57 PM 511 Views
well what is the association we have with notes on hands? - 08/02/2010 07:58:41 PM 536 Views
or people on the far left are being grossly disingenuous - 08/02/2010 08:18:06 PM 649 Views
dude, only posted it because it was funny - 08/02/2010 08:43:55 PM 505 Views
I agree on your title - 09/02/2010 11:30:11 AM 572 Views
Who cares? She's hot. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:06:58 PM 246 Views
I agree with your first sentence. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:07:31 PM 347 Views
I also totally agree with that first sentence. *NM* - 08/02/2010 03:48:24 PM 273 Views
Much ado about nothing. She was just making sure she didn't forget anything. - 09/02/2010 02:00:56 AM 487 Views
No, humble would have been note cards. *NM* - 09/02/2010 05:55:27 AM 252 Views
Nah, note cards can be dropped or lost. - 09/02/2010 03:03:25 PM 507 Views
She's such a retard. *NM* - 09/02/2010 02:46:51 AM 275 Views
Maybe - 09/02/2010 09:29:45 AM 544 Views
No offense, girlie. - 09/02/2010 11:36:55 AM 650 Views
She should have left herself a note... - 09/02/2010 11:04:34 PM 513 Views

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