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from what we discussed in Meat Sciene LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM
I believe that the throat cutting method isn't any LESS humane.

If I remember correctly (and I may not), the biggest reason why the slaughter houses don't use it is because it's inefficient. They do drain the blood (and collect it to sell), but they do it in motion by running the carcasses along the line over a trough (essentially).

If they had to actually kill the animal that way, their production times would slow down, because you couldn't dress the animal or move it on down the line until it was dead.
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French fast food chain goes halal - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1493 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 486 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 950 Views
just as a note - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 569 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 580 Views
yah. that's hinduism - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 613 Views
Makes sense - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 589 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 878 Views
Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 637 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 758 Views
That was my point - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 636 Views
sorry - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 595 Views
No problem - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 582 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 594 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 746 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 834 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 665 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 751 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 576 Views
Indeed *NM* - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 318 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 617 Views
To the contrary - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 654 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 602 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 711 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 381 Views
hahahaha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 684 Views
Re: hahahaha - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 623 Views
Interesting - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 630 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 822 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 654 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 745 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 581 Views
I've no clue - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 761 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 574 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 584 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 727 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 681 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 710 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 718 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 601 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 655 Views
Oh? - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 683 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 562 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 816 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 718 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 784 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 553 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 579 Views
Upper tip - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 530 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 708 Views
+1 - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 581 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 587 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 720 Views
That's what I was thinking too. - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 746 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 545 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 667 Views
Haha, yeah - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 579 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 698 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 611 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 617 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 537 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 533 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 572 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 606 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 656 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 700 Views
yep. *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 276 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 532 Views
No big deal.. - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 615 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 345 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 275 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 377 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 593 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 525 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 299 Views
fair enough, then *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 437 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 393 Views
So let me get this straight... - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 725 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 695 Views
I think you missed his point - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 591 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 717 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 574 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 591 Views
It always starts small. - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 557 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 646 Views
Like I said... - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 610 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 562 Views
exactly. *NM* - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 409 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 327 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 797 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 763 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 718 Views
that's not the point. - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 625 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 683 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 561 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 576 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 620 Views
Sure they are. - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 605 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 569 Views
Don't you get it? - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 553 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 535 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 277 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 593 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 612 Views
Millions - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 557 Views
Huh. - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 568 Views
They are not forced to do anything - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 545 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 514 Views
well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 598 Views
Re: well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 559 Views
I agree with you. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 256 Views
This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 618 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 558 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 687 Views
That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 685 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 714 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 543 Views
Really? - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 552 Views
What he's referring to... - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 720 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 552 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 762 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 576 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 662 Views
How is it not propaganda? - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 743 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 587 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 995 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 857 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 686 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 711 Views
I will conceed that point - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 685 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 287 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 739 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 693 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 268 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 595 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 706 Views
Or! - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 784 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 239 Views
It does make the situation more complicated - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 614 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 557 Views
Yes, of course - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 547 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 545 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 687 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 628 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 553 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 785 Views
What are you refering to? - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 568 Views
Brush up on your history then - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 609 Views
Thank you - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 550 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 685 Views
This. well stated. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 270 Views
Why thank you *NM* - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 269 Views
Many? - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 606 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 556 Views

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