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Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. Insolitus Send a noteboard - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM
that's how you MAKE a choice. You decide one option is better than the other. All this restaurant has done is change who they cater to. Would you say that it's unethical for there to be christian book stores? Perhaps all the Kosher butchers are bigots?

It is not discriminatory in an ethical sense to offer a product catering to a specific group's needs. It is ethically discrimination when you prevent others from purchasing that product or service.

You're getting way too literal about the term to relate it to the ethics.


As stated, I'm fine with the company making this decision. They have the right to change their restaurants' focus group if they want to. Except according to the article the company is mostly state owned. At least indirectly. So preferring one particular religious group over others raises questions. But even that is beside the point.

Earlier the restaurant offered only secular meat, which is acceptable to everyone who doesn't require specific religious rituals. Now they offer only religious meat, which is acceptable to everyone of that religion plus those who do not care if their meat is dedicated to this particular god. Earlier the restaurants did nothing religious, thus passively discouraging muslim customers. Now they are actively encouraging muslim customers and actively discouraging some non-muslims. That may not be literally discrimination, but at least in my mind that's not an improvement.
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French fast food chain goes halal Aisha - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1559 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 532 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 1004 Views
just as a note LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 628 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 626 Views
yah. that's hinduism LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 695 Views
Makes sense beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 646 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots Insolitus - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 938 Views
Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 695 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 812 Views
That was my point snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 718 Views
sorry LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 652 Views
No problem snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 648 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 652 Views
Re: Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 803 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 894 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 720 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 815 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 630 Views
Indeed *NM* Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 345 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 669 Views
To the contrary Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 704 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 655 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 796 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 404 Views
hahahaha Aisha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 751 Views
Re: hahahaha Isaac - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 682 Views
Interesting beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 684 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 880 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 712 Views
Nothing per se, it's largely symbolic. I'm not sure how large the changes in the menu actually are. Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:42:54 PM 840 Views
Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 800 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 652 Views
I've no clue Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 834 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 633 Views
I checked the standard menu - other than one special burger with bacon, it's true there's no pork. *NM* Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:55:44 PM 327 Views
my point is how many fast food places have pork? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:06:44 PM 628 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 644 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 797 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 734 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 772 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 781 Views
Not a theologian, are we? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 662 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 718 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 734 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 624 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 875 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 777 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 846 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 628 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 640 Views
Upper tip Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 582 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? Sareitha Sedai - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 757 Views
+1 The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 648 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider random thoughts - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 637 Views
Oh, and then there's something else, though I don't know if it's a factor here... Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:41:46 PM 672 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 778 Views
That's what I was thinking too. Lupine - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 803 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 597 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 722 Views
Haha, yeah AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 630 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 749 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 680 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 691 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 585 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 600 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 623 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. Legolas - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 659 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 708 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" ßelals Girl - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 753 Views
yep. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 310 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up random thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 586 Views
No big deal.. Kel - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 672 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* temeraire - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 377 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* MightyYT - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 308 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* jh - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 399 Views
Call me an obvious bigot and prejudiced then. I think the way they did this is bad. The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:10:40 PM 689 Views
Having two sources of meat would raise prices even more beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:56:21 PM 644 Views
Not to mention the fact that anything served as halal would have to be cooked separately Floffe - 19/02/2010 10:55:06 PM 610 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... Dragonsoul - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 646 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 574 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 321 Views
fair enough, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 472 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* Aisha - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 423 Views
So let me get this straight... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 775 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 752 Views
I think you missed his point beckstcw - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 647 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... Legolas - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 768 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 630 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. jh - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 642 Views
It always starts small. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 615 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 707 Views
Like I said... Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 667 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about AgentOrange - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 615 Views
exactly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 432 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* beckstcw - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 352 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 859 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 817 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 769 Views
that's not the point. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 689 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 743 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? random thoughts - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 647 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 632 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 679 Views
Sure they are. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 656 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 625 Views
Don't you get it? LiterateDog - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 609 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 605 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 298 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 649 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 669 Views
Millions Isaac - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 627 Views
Huh. Sareitha Sedai - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 622 Views
They are not forced to do anything snoopcester - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 599 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 568 Views
well don't you see? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 654 Views
Re: well don't you see? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 604 Views
I agree with you. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 293 Views
This is meant to be an edit... Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 674 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 616 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 760 Views
That assumes a great deal LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 737 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 766 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon AgentOrange - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 607 Views
Really? snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 609 Views
What he's referring to... Legolas - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 777 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 611 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 820 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 632 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 740 Views
How is it not propaganda? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 796 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 637 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 1058 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 907 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 748 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 766 Views
I will conceed that point ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 737 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 311 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 794 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 749 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 293 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France snoopcester - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 645 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 760 Views
Or! snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 851 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 261 Views
It does make the situation more complicated snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 677 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 609 Views
Yes, of course ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 612 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 601 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 747 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 679 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 606 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries random thoughts - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 855 Views
What are you refering to? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 639 Views
Brush up on your history then random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 670 Views
Thank you ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 605 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 736 Views
This. well stated. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 295 Views
Why thank you *NM* random thoughts - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 291 Views
They had Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and for a while Lebanon and Syria. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:00:08 PM 818 Views
Many? Floffe - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 664 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 617 Views
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