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wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM
eight BUSINESSES in france have chosen to change their menu to appeal to the Muslim minority. It's not like the government of france is doing anything, or like it's becoming some widespread plague that is strong arming the french people. Or are you against vegetarian restaurants as well? Perhaps we should outlaw all those barbecue places that don't have a single purely vegetarian dish on their menus?

Furthermore, it's not like halal is some...trend or fashion. It's a religious aspect of Islam. One that does no harm to others, I might add (except apparently bully those damned restaurants!! *sarcasm*). Yes, not all Muslims follow halal, but I don't see you ranting on about Kosher foods in the US. There's this thing called "Freedom of religion". I'm not sure if it's explicitly stated in French law, but I'm pretty sure it's at least implicated.

In other words, what crawled up your ass?
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French fast food chain goes halal Aisha - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1580 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 555 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 1028 Views
just as a note LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 649 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 647 Views
yah. that's hinduism LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 722 Views
Makes sense beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 667 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots Insolitus - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 962 Views
Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 715 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 836 Views
That was my point snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 746 Views
sorry LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 674 Views
No problem snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 675 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 673 Views
Re: Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 826 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 914 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 741 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 838 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 653 Views
Indeed *NM* Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 354 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 690 Views
To the contrary Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 729 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 680 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 821 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 412 Views
hahahaha Aisha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 774 Views
Re: hahahaha Isaac - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 708 Views
Interesting beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 708 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 902 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 737 Views
Nothing per se, it's largely symbolic. I'm not sure how large the changes in the menu actually are. Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:42:54 PM 862 Views
Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 821 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 673 Views
I've no clue Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 857 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 657 Views
I checked the standard menu - other than one special burger with bacon, it's true there's no pork. *NM* Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:55:44 PM 335 Views
my point is how many fast food places have pork? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:06:44 PM 654 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 665 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 825 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 758 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 796 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 808 Views
Not a theologian, are we? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 684 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 739 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 752 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 646 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 903 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 802 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 867 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 652 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 667 Views
Upper tip Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 608 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? Sareitha Sedai - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 780 Views
+1 The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 673 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider random thoughts - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 666 Views
Oh, and then there's something else, though I don't know if it's a factor here... Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:41:46 PM 694 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 805 Views
That's what I was thinking too. Lupine - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 826 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 618 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 745 Views
Haha, yeah AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 657 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 773 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 697 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 714 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 611 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 623 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 650 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. Legolas - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 679 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 731 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" ßelals Girl - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 777 Views
yep. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 323 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up random thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 608 Views
No big deal.. Kel - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 696 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* temeraire - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 386 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* MightyYT - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 316 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* jh - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 409 Views
Call me an obvious bigot and prejudiced then. I think the way they did this is bad. The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:10:40 PM 715 Views
Having two sources of meat would raise prices even more beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:56:21 PM 668 Views
Not to mention the fact that anything served as halal would have to be cooked separately Floffe - 19/02/2010 10:55:06 PM 632 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... Dragonsoul - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 668 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 609 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 331 Views
fair enough, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 481 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* Aisha - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 434 Views
So let me get this straight... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 799 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 782 Views
I think you missed his point beckstcw - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 672 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... Legolas - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 794 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 663 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. jh - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 667 Views
It always starts small. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 638 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 735 Views
Like I said... Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 691 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about AgentOrange - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 639 Views
exactly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 443 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* beckstcw - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 361 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 895 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 843 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 790 Views
that's not the point. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 715 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 769 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? random thoughts - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 665 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 659 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 715 Views
Sure they are. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 690 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 649 Views
Don't you get it? LiterateDog - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 627 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 638 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 309 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 675 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 696 Views
Millions Isaac - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 651 Views
Huh. Sareitha Sedai - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 648 Views
They are not forced to do anything snoopcester - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 630 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 590 Views
well don't you see? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 693 Views
Re: well don't you see? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 633 Views
I agree with you. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 300 Views
This is meant to be an edit... Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 697 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 640 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 786 Views
That assumes a great deal LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 758 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 790 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon AgentOrange - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 639 Views
Really? snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 630 Views
What he's referring to... Legolas - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 809 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 631 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 847 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 655 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 759 Views
How is it not propaganda? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 824 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 671 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 1081 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 928 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 776 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 788 Views
I will conceed that point ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 772 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 318 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 814 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 769 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 315 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France snoopcester - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 664 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 787 Views
Or! snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 873 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 271 Views
It does make the situation more complicated snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 700 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 640 Views
Yes, of course ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 636 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 625 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 773 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 703 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 634 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries random thoughts - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 881 Views
What are you refering to? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 664 Views
Brush up on your history then random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 694 Views
Thank you ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 628 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 761 Views
This. well stated. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 307 Views
Why thank you *NM* random thoughts - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 302 Views
They had Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and for a while Lebanon and Syria. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:00:08 PM 849 Views
Many? Floffe - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 696 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 649 Views
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