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It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome ßelals Girl Send a noteboard - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM
You can maintain a semblence of your "cultural identity" and still integrate just fine and dandy. What's so horrible about someone having a different cultural identity? Isn't that what makes life interesting? That people are different?


The problem is that on a large scale, such things can still cause problems. If you take a nation like france, which already has its own cultural and ethnic character and has had it for centuries, and fill it full of large amounts of people who have a different cultural and ethnic character, and these people also have a higher birth rate and are not pressed to assimilate hardly at all because it's considered wrong for the natives to expect such a thing, it will dilute and undermine the original character of the nation. It will either become a rather generic multicultural nation or the newcomers will eventually replace the natives if the trends continue on unstopped.

And there is no going back once this happens. How could you "Re-Frenchify" France if it became predomiantely Muslim? You couldn't do so without ethnic cleansing or other crimes against humanity which one one wants to have happen. So France would either become Muslim or a generic multicultural mini-USA. it would be France in name only, if that. Meanwhile, the immigrants' culture would still exist in its original homeland, as well as in "France," but there would be no more french culture.

This would ultimately result in less cultural diversity, not more.
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French fast food chain goes halal - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1503 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 496 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 966 Views
just as a note - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 582 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 586 Views
yah. that's hinduism - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 625 Views
Makes sense - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 600 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 894 Views
Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 649 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 773 Views
That was my point - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 648 Views
sorry - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 606 Views
No problem - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 592 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 605 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 760 Views
Re: Not sure that works - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 846 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 678 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 765 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 589 Views
Indeed *NM* - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 323 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 630 Views
To the contrary - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 666 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 616 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 723 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 384 Views
hahahaha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 695 Views
Re: hahahaha - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 636 Views
Interesting - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 641 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 835 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 668 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 760 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 590 Views
I've no clue - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 774 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 588 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 597 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 740 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 694 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 724 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 731 Views
Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 613 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 669 Views
Oh? - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 694 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 574 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 830 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 731 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 797 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 562 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 592 Views
Upper tip - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 540 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 723 Views
+1 - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 594 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 597 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 732 Views
That's what I was thinking too. - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 760 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 558 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 678 Views
Haha, yeah - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 592 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 710 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 625 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 633 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 546 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 545 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 587 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 618 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 668 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 711 Views
yep. *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 280 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 544 Views
No big deal.. - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 629 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 349 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 279 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 382 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 607 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 535 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 304 Views
fair enough, then *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 442 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 397 Views
So let me get this straight... - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 737 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 709 Views
I think you missed his point - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 604 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 729 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 588 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 603 Views
It always starts small. - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 569 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 658 Views
Like I said... - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 624 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 573 Views
exactly. *NM* - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 413 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 332 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 810 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 775 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 731 Views
that's not the point. - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 639 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 697 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 574 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 590 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 633 Views
Sure they are. - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 617 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 582 Views
Don't you get it? - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 563 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 550 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 282 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 605 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 625 Views
Millions - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 571 Views
Huh. - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 580 Views
They are not forced to do anything - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 557 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 527 Views
well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 610 Views
Re: well don't you see? - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 571 Views
I agree with you. *NM* - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 259 Views
This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 631 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 570 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 699 Views
That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 699 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 726 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 557 Views
Really? - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 564 Views
What he's referring to... - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 733 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 564 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 776 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 589 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 675 Views
How is it not propaganda? - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 757 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 600 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 1006 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 867 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 701 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 724 Views
I will conceed that point - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 698 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 291 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 752 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 710 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 273 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 605 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 718 Views
Or! - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 798 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 243 Views
It does make the situation more complicated - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 627 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 571 Views
Yes, of course - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 560 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 558 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 698 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 640 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 565 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 801 Views
What are you refering to? - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 582 Views
Brush up on your history then - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 623 Views
Thank you - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 564 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 698 Views
This. well stated. *NM* - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 276 Views
Why thank you *NM* - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 274 Views
Many? - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 620 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 568 Views

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